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"Inspiring" Israeli Terrorist

I try to avoid blogwars so I'm not going to mention the blogger who recently posted the below video and cited it approvingly. But I was moderately disturbed.

Not outraged. Not incensed. Not in high dudgeon. Just disturbed.

I issue no angry moral condemnations. In fact I entirely agree with most of this video. But there's a turd in the punchbowl here, which I'll mention later. First, here's the video:


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Again I say: I agree with a whole lot of that. In fact I have only one minor quibble: Hitler was never legitimately elected by the German people. Sorry, he just wasn't.

Otherwise, I must say I agree with damn near everything in that video. I'm not Jewish, and I don't have any Jewish relatives that I'm aware of. But I am entirely sympathetic to the people of Israel. I don't think Israel is perfect, or above reproach, but I am a staunch defender of the Jewish people and the right of the state of Israel to exist.

So what's my problem with the video?

The problem is that Rabbi Meir Kahane, the man who wrote the piece that this video so lovingly embraces, was a slimeball who founded a terrorist organization.

Both the U.S. State Department and the State of Israel designate Kach and Kahane Chai as terrorists and criminals.

Rabbi Kahane's philosophy is supported by probably less than 5% of the Israeli population. Most Israelis are embarrassed by him and condemn him. The political parties that bear his name are outlawed in Israel as terroristic, criminal, and an embarrassment to the Jewish people.

Indeed, Kach and Kahane Kai were shown to the world to be vile scumbags when terrorist Baruch Goldstein committed one of the greatest Jewish terrorist atrocities of the 1990s.

I agree with a lot of what is shown in this video. But they don't show you the entire truth about Kahane. To me it's like finding out that Charles Manson loves The Beach Boys. Hey, I like The Beach Boys too! So Charlie Manson must not be so bad after all?!?

Yeah Kahane might make some valid points now and then. So what? Terrorism is not acceptable. If the the State of Israel--under both conservative and liberal governments--brands Kahane as a terrorist, then so far as I am concerned he is a terrorist. The Israelis are not fools: they know what terrorism is. Intimately.

No-Knock Police Raids

There's been a growing trend in recent years for various American police organizations to conduct raids where they get a warrant, but don't knock the door or announce themselves except by simply kicking down the door and breaking it in and rushing into the house.

There's a real problem with this; Instapundit notes one recent tragic example, and has more links on the matter.

Oh, Meryl

Here's a nice long string of false statements about me. I answer some of the mischaracterizations in Meryl's comments section--at least the most important immediate ones.

And this was why I intentionally went out of my way to send a polite email and say I didn't want a fight. But some people just like to fight I guess. I won't respond in kind. But on Monday I'll have a few questions for her about Kahane.

The Conversation at Meryl's Blog....

...has predictably turned to how much I supposedly hate women. Just scroll down and look for comments by one "Etienne" and look for the further responses by others.

Ahhhh yeah. I have no respect for women. That's what I'm all about. Why didn't someone tell me sooner?

You can buy a copy of the book right here by the way.

*Update* As John points out in the comments you can buy a much more reasonably price version here.

Don't Get Fooled Again: The Reality of Kahanism

Some years ago Meryl Yourish and I had a fight over a couple of things that, in retrospect, were pretty stupid. Still, it was funny: a year or so after those incidents she wrote me to ask for a personal favor. She was entirely nice about it. I assumed this was an olive branch and complied. Since then we've exchanged short, polite emails a couple of times over mostly blogging-related matters. I didn't think we'd ever be friends again but I thought simple civility and courtesy were now a reasonable expectation.

Apparently not. Well, live and learn I guess.

Without responding to the slime spewed by Meryl and her commenters--the sexist, misandrist garbage about me, the slanderous claims about what I supposedly think about Judaism, or the shamefully Islamophobic nonsense--let me focus once again on my exact problem with the following video:


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I agree with much of what's said in that video, as I've said from the start. I quibble with one or two things. If they weren't the words of a deplorable man, I would find nothing worth remarking negatively upon. I'd have probably posted the video on Dean's World, with a hat tip, and said little more about it.

However, the fact is that Meir Kahane was an evil man. Weak-tea statements like "I do not agree with everything he stood for" while glowingly quoting him at length strikes me as a big mistake. That opens up the Israeli people, and their supporters, to the charge that they stand by terrorism and theocratic extremism and are thus "no better than" their enemies--which is stupid garbage. But Kahane, by his life and actions, made such bullcrap harder to refute. If most Jews hadn't thoroughly rejected him he'd be the poster child for Jewish evil rather than the minor footnote he deserves to be.

I've spent too many years, too much personal time and money, and taken too much abuse for defending Israel. I will not stand by while a murdering terrorist thug and embarrassment to humanist values is approvingly quoted and treated as merely a bit controversial.

Under the assumption that we are actually talking like rational adults, let me point to a few examples that might help Meryl and her friends understand my point. I'll start with some comparatively mild objections about Kahane. I will then move up to issues that I consider felonies and not misdemeanors. So if someone tries the trick of only responding to my more mild objections, or pretending I put them all on the same level, we'll all know better.

Minor objection #1, which might be called a nitpick:

Meryl approvingly notes that Israel respects gay rights and is proud about this. She and I completely agree about this--we're both liberal humanists after all. As I noted almost three years ago, the following quiz is reason alone for tolerant people everywhere to respect Israel. You don't have to "approve" of homosexuality to note what it says about an enlightened, tolerant society not to imprison and persecute such people, to prefer to talk to them rather than stone them.

What would Rabbi Kahane have said about this? Well, he wanted to throw every non-Jew out of Israel, get rid of most of Israel's democratic institutions, and bring in traditionalist, Orthodox religious rule throughout the country. He advocated turning Israel into an officially theocratic, Orthodox regime. Furthermore, the Kahanist official line has always been that homosexuality is "detrimental to the perpetuation of Jewish life."

Update: This just in, Kahanists lionize a man for stabbing a homosexual. Nice folks, those Kahanists.

I think we are safe to assume that there would be no gay pride parades if Rabbi Kahane's Israel came into existence; indeed, the Kahanists continue to do their best best stop such things.

Minor objection #2, a bit more serious:

Ehud Sprinzak some years ago wrote an excellent expose of Rabbi Meir Kahane, detailing Kahane's theocratic views. There's lots there to read but I found this part particularly revealing:

The Arabs are, taken together, the collective entity that, for Kahane, threatens Jewish existence; and the Israeli Arabs (there is no Palestinian nation for Kahane) are a highly explosive time bomb. The Arabs claim the same land as the Jews, refuse to recognize God's biblical prescriptions and would never be ready to settle for less than the whole. This places them in the same position as the native population of Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest, and all biblical rules and regulations adopted and applied by Joshua against the Canaanites are relevant today. Joshua, Kahane reminds us, sent the Canaanites three letters offering them three alternative courses of action: leave the land, fight for it and bear the consequences or peacefully surrender to the Jews and obtain the status of loyal "resident strangers." Any individual Arab is thus welcome to stay provided he fully accepts Jewish sovereignty, as well as the right upon which it is founded. Applying the rules of Halakha (written and oral tradition) according to his understanding, Kahane maintains that even in the case of complete submission, full rights of citizenship should not be given to "strangers." Only "strangers" who will obey the seven commandments of "Noah's sons," pay special taxes and submit to special labour regulations may remain. Following the "kingdom rules" of Maimonides, the "strangers" must also constantly be "humiliated and detested"

Does that sound like dhimmitude to you? It sure does to me.

I thought we were all proud of the fact that Arab citizens of Israel serve in its armed forces, in its government, and enjoy almost all the same rights that everyone else in Israel does. Israeli Arabs--not the Palestinians, but the actual Israeli Arabs who stood by Israel even when they were invaded--are treated with respect and friendship, and even gratitude. I've noted this myself many times as a reason to respect Israel. Would that every one of Israel's immediate neighbors was so tolerant of religious and ethnic minorities within their borders.

But Sprinzak notes that Kahane called for even Israeli Arabs to be expelled or at least treated with contempt and loathing. As Sprinzak noted, Kahane didn't just hate the non-Jews in Israel. He wanted them all gone, and the few who might stupidly remain should be treated with utter loathing and permanent second-class citizenship.

Minor Objection #3: To Kahanists, a Jewish woman who has sex with a non-Jew is a whore and a traitor to the Jewish people. If she doesn't deserve jail then certainly the man who had sex with her does. The Kahanists openly advocate this policy. They don't just frown upon miscegenation. They don't just condemn it. They don't even limit themselves to discouraging it. They want to make it punishable by law for a Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jew.

I admit we are still in "controversial" territory here. I can understand why a reasonable Jew would say, "well maybe I support some of those ideas, or some parts of them," or even, "well I don't support much of that but I get where it's coming from." Either way, most would say, "we have higher issues we have to deal with right now--the protection of Israel."

I get that. So:

Not-So-Minor Objection #4: Kahanism is a terrorist movement.

If you read Sprinzak's expose, you'll find it's a pretty good introduction to Kahane's actual terrorist activities. The innocent people he beat up, the everyday people his followers hit with sticks and stones, the bombs they blew up or tried to blow up, the car bombs they set, the people he and his friends threatened to kill--and some of the people they actually did kill.

The Anti-Defamation League--an organization of which I am sometimes critical, but is certainly not anti-Jewish or anti-Israel--has a lengthy look at Kahane and his movement's violence. Click "show" below to see a few selections. By the way, the Jewish Defense League, mentioned repeatedly, is a Kahanist organization:

Those are just a few selections I chose almost at random; you should read the whole thing yourself.

Indeed, the ADL's listing isn't even complete. The Jewish Virtual Library notes one of the supreme ironies: Binyamin Zev Kahane, Rabbi Kahane's son, openly approved of the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

Rabin was murdered in 1995 by a Kahanist terrorist named Yigal Amir, a member of a Kahanist offshoot group known as Eyal.

Got that? No Arab, no Islamist, murdered Yitzhak Rabin. A Jew proudly affiliated with Kahane murdered Yitzhak Rabin.

Worse, the Kahane organization, in their typical fashion, denied being part of the terrorist act but then said they approved of the action anyway.

This was not the first time a Jew was terrorized by the Kahanists. But it was the final straw for most Israelis.

So let's get something straight: it is not Dean Esmay who says Kahane and his followers are terrrorists. The U.S. State Department says so. The Council on Foreign Relations says so. The Israeli government says so. The Center for Defense Information's Terrorist Project says so. The Anti-Defamation League says so. Even Front Page Magazine, of all places, recognizes that Jewish terrorism is still terrorism, and notes a recent Kahanist atrocity from 2005.

"Are they as bad as bad as the Islamist terrorists?" is almost a cowardly question. Who gives a damn? Are they evil or are they not? Do you have the moral fortitude to answer that without equivocation?

I do not "think" Kahane was a terrorist, I know he was. And now everybody, including Meryl Yourish, knows it too. Kahanism = terror and oppression and barbarism. That being the case, here are a few simple questions:

Will you unequivocally denounce Rabbi Meir Kahane as the leader of a radical theocratic and terrorist movement that even Jews are not safe from being harassed, beaten, and murdered by? Or will you stick with a mealy-mouthed "well, I don't agree with everything, but..." or "yes but Dean Esmay is a bad, evil man" response?

We all make mistakes. The real question is whether we apologize for them and try to make amends.

(And by the way, see Dean Esmay, Terrorist Supporter if you're thinking I've never made the mistake of unwittingly supporting terrorists myself.)

Update: And by the way, I thought this blindingly obvious but maybe it needs to be stated: when a terrorist--a man who was a practicing terrorist before he ever even moved to Israel--takes it upon himself to speak for all of Israel, the unspoken assumptions behind his "we don't give a damn what anyone in the world thinks" rhetoric seem pretty obvious, do they not?

More On Kahanism

I linked this already as part of a long, long list of links. But this really should be read on its own merits:

Most Israelis were shocked and surprised when they learned on July 24th, 1984 that Kach, the right-wing political party of Rabbi Meir Kahane, had won a seat in the Knesset. With nearly 26,000 votes, Kahane achieved his aim of entering Israel's parliament. This gave him a public forum and parliamentary immunity from police "harassment." Soon after his election, Kahane made it clear that he had no intention of becoming an ordinary parliamentarian. Devoted to his original plan of driving the Arabs out of the Land of Israel, Kahane said that a coalition government incapable of maintaining the integrity of the Jewish nation would not gain his parliamentary support, nor would he abandon his planned illicit confrontations with Arabs in their own villages.

A day after the election, Kahane and his supporters held a victory parade to the Western Wall in old Jerusalem. Passing intentionally through the Arab section of the old city, Kahane's excited followers smashed through the market, overturning vegetable stalls, hitting bystanders, punching the air with clenched fists and telling the frightened Arabs that the end of their stay in the Land of Israel was near.

Remind you of anything?

Anyway, read the whole thing.

More on the author, Ehud Sprinzak, right here.

By the way, Kahanists recently had a rally where they lionized one of their own for stabbing a homosexual and celebrated the "holy cannon" that accidentally fired a shell into an innocent family. Nice folks, those Kahanists. Good to know that some people "don't agree with everything" they represent. Kahane Chai!

Update: Martin Shoemaker calls me out in the comments for excessive snarkiness. He is absolutely right to do so.

Even more on Meir Kahane

In 1990, after concluding a speech in a Manhattan, New York hotel, Meir Kahane was assassinated by El Sayyid Nosair. Kahane's followers, including a 70 year old man, managed to keep the assassin from escaping.

According to Crime Library (written in a classic pulp style)

El Sayid Nosair was just another disgruntled loner with a gun and a grudge.

That's what the cops thought...

...As authorities would later discover, the bullets fired from Nosair's gun were the opening salvo in a war, a war waged by Islamic extremists against America and its interests...

..All of it, authorities would later say, was foreshadowed within three days of Nosair's arrest when investigators poring through his Cliffside Park, N.J., apartment would find a diary in his handwriting that would later seem almost prophetic. In it, Nosair called for jihad against the "enemies of Islam" and urged his comrades to bring America to its knees by "destroying the structure of their civilized pillars their high world buildings which they are proud oftheir statues and the buildings in which their leaders gather."

But all of that was missed in the days immediately after the Kahane killing. To Joseph Borelli, then chief of New York City detectives, the Kahane killing was the work of "a lone gunman" and the search of his apartment had turned up "nothing that would stir your imagination."

The cops had no way of knowing that in Nosair's writings they had found a threat that would some day be realized, that the insignificant-seeming man that they now had in custody was part of a network of terrorists who would, a decade later, kill more people in one day in New York City than all the gang-bangers and drug dealers and jilted husbands do in a year.

Despite the public nature of the assassination, Nosair was only convicted for posession of an illegal weapon. He recieved a fairly light sentence.

The assassination was the first operation carried out by a terrorist cell based in Brooklyn, led by the Imam of the al Farooq mosque on Atlantic Avenue, the 'blind sheikh' Omar Abdel Rahman.

Nosair later stood trial as a co-conspirator of Shaikh Omar Abdel Rahman for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, conspiracy to use explosives against New York landmarks, and plotting to assassinate U.S. politicians. Both men received life sentences.

Since it was ruled that Kahane's murder was part of the "seditious conspiracy," Nosair was later convicted of killing Kahane.

Here's a photo from the FBI investigation of the Brooklyn al Farooq terror cell shoooting AK-47's on Long Island

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FBI agents photograph Islamic radicals shooting weapons at the Calverton Shooting Range, on Long Island, New York. The group is secretly monitored as they shoot AK-47 assault rifles, semiautomatic handguns, and revolvers for four successive weekends. The use of weapons such as AK-47’s are illegal in the US, but this shooting range is known to be unusually permissive. Ali Mohamed is apparently not at the range but has been training the five men there: El Sayyid Nosair, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammed Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, and Clement Rodney Hampton-El. Nosair will assassinate Rabbi Meir Kahane one year later (see November 5, 1990), and the others except for Hampton-El will be convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (see February 26, 1993), while Hampton-El will be convicted for a role in the landmark bombing plot (see June 24, 1993). Some FBI agents have been assigned to watch some Middle Eastern men who are frequenting the al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn. Each weekend, Mohamed’s trainees drive from al-Kifah to the shooting range, and a small FBI surveillance team follows them. The FBI has been given a tip that some Palestinians at al-Kifah are planning violence targeting Atlantic City casinos. By August, the casino plot fails to materialize, and the surveillance, including that at the shooting range, comes to an end. Author Peter Lance will later say that why the FBI failed to follow up the shooting sessions is a “great unanswered question.”

The Al Farooq mosque was linked with terrorism again, recently when the FBI raided it to find evidence that a radical Yemeni cleric helped funnel millions of dollars to al-Qaeda. According to Justice Department officials, Sheikh Muhammad Ali Hasan al-Moayad told a federal informant that money he took in at the mosque went to Osama bin Laden.

If we're concerned about terrorism, perhaps we should ask the FBI why they failed to follow up their investigation of al Farooq mosque-going terror suspects who were were using illegal weaponry in populous Long Island - who later committed a string of terrorist attacks against New Yorkers.

Maybe we should ask the alt.muslim.com's "Guide to the best mosques and schools" why they recommend the oft-raided al Farooq mosque to Muslims who are new to Brooklyn? Why do they call the terror-cell hosting al Farooq "Another very accessible masjid in good location on main strip amongst Muslim businesses" and why do they give it three stars?

If we're concerned about terrorism, perhaps we should listen to the words of a New Yorker who lives near the al Farooq mosque, Rod Dreher, who says:

Of course, New Yorkers are used to living among people different from themselves. But Muslims are the only New Yorkers whose co-religionists murdered 3,000 of us in the name of a radical version of their faith — a version that is preached right here in Brooklyn. There is apparently no outcry from our neighborhood's Muslims against the extremists among them. There is little evidence indicating that they value American citizenship over their Old World hatreds. And the al-Farooq mosque remains in the headlines as an Islamofascist icon. You can hardly blame people for being suspicious.

And that suspicion breeds fear, alienation, and anger — on all sides. Brooklyn's Muslims wonder whether their Jewish and Christian neighbors would support putting them in detention camps in the event of another 9/11. Non-Muslims may wonder — no, do wonder — whether their Muslim neighbors are giving money and moral support to evil men who want to kill them. You walk down the street these days thinking: What's under that man's coat? What's behind that shopkeeper's smile? Is that hijab- wearing woman just another mom on the playground, or does she believe my kid and I are infidel scum who deserve to die? Am I being paranoid, or merely streetwise? It's a rotten way to have to live.

Whatever we say about his life, it's now clear that Meir Kahane's death could have provided us with important information about an oncoming war - if we'd chosen to listen.

We didn't.

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Alt.muslim responds

Yesterday I posted about the lessons we should have learned from the assassination of Meir Kahane.

One thing we should have learned: to be aware of the extremist groups that exist within our own borders - like Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Al Muhajiroun (the "Islamic Thinker's Society") and Jamaat Al-Fuqra. We should also be aware of the community centers that are associated with them.

In the post, I asked the web-based interactive news and discussion site, alt.muslim.com why:

"...they call the terror-cell hosting al Farooq [mosque] "Another very accessible masjid in good location on main strip amongst Muslim businesses" and why do they give it three stars?
Thanks to the response of Shahed Amanullah, alt.muslim.com's editor, the Al Farooq masjid (mosque), which was once headed by the leader of the first attack against the World Trade Center, no longer rates three stars - it rates zero out of five.

While the comment recommending the mosque remains, here's the revised description:

The Al-Farooq masjid has a controversial and troubled history in the Brooklyn area, starting with fundraising for Afghan mujahedeen that may have been associated with Osama bin Laden. In the early 90's, FBI investigators linked several members with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, one of whom (El-Sayyid Nosair) later murdered Jewish radical Meir Kahane in New York in 1990. In 2003, federal investigators linked members of the mosque to $20 million in alleged fundraising for Al Qaeda, though little evidence of direct support was linked to the mosque itself. Other allegations include the use of Saudi-funded literaturea nd extreme sermons by some of its imams. Many members maintain that they are kept in the dark about any illicit activity that may be taking place and that the relatively poor community can barely keep the mosque functioning. Other members dismiss the allegations and say they are against terrorism and extremism, though deep cultural customs remain.
Shahed also pointed out the less-than-favorable description of the Illinois Bridgeview mosque (also rated zero out of five)

The automated and fairly anonymous nature of alt.muslim's Mosque/School finder (salat-o-matic) could be a great resource for people who want to express their feelings about extremist political activism within their places of worship. Vocal critics of extremism, like Tulsa's Jamal Miftah and Asra Nomani are often shunned by other members of their mosques. Web-based anonymity gives people who don't want to risk an unkind response a chance to speak out. It would be encouraging if people would take advantage of that.

Thanks to Shahed and to Ali Eteraz for notifying him about it. And, as a techie note, that was the best web-page customer response I've seen.

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Terrorist Apologism

Meryl Yourish notes, quite correctly, that I did not repudiate some obscure remarks by Dean's World commenters that have appeared here from time to time over the years. Which is quite true. But she then suggests that I was "ignoring" such things. Hahahaha. Riiiiight. [Eyes roll]. Leave it to Meryl Yourish to try to worm out of her shameful Kahanist apologism with a lame tu quoque response.

Truth: I didn't even remember those obscure remarks by my commenters, but if if a civil, decent person were to have asked I would have said, "I assume those commenters didn't know any better. I certainly didn't at the time. Now that I do know better, however, it's a different story."

For reference, here once again is the terrorist whom Meryl Yourish and others proudly allow to speak for the people of Israel:


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I considered linking this video on Dean's World with a minor hat-tip, on the order of "Hey, this is pretty cool" when I first spotted it. But a friend asked if I knew all I should about the terrorist Kahane.

"Terrorist? No way!" Then I researched, and I realized: "Oh sh*t. Yes he was." In fact, he was convicted more than once of terrorist activities by the United States government. When he learned that he was almost certainly going to be indicted again for his ongoing terrorist activities, he finally fled to Israel--where he continued his terrorist activities with pride.

I initially posted a very mild, non-confrontational article about it. Here it is in its entirety. Please read what I wrote carefully and tell me where there was a single ad hominem attack on anyone besides the terrorist thug Meir Kahane and his violent movement.

Later in the day, I sent an even more polite, and utterly non-confrontational, email to Meryl Yourish about it, since it had appeared on her site. I'll happily re-post that email in public by the way. The whole exchange, every word of it. There was nothing in the least bit nasty about it.

The whole exchange from my perspective was, in essence: "Are you sure you want to be associating yourself with this guy? He was not a good guy."

Although I did not say so at the time, I don't think it right that anyone should let an avowed theocrat, an avowed terrorist, and a thug speak for the people of Israel, with little more than a weak "I don't agree with everything BUT..." description of the man.

Let us review:

Kahanists approve of stabbing homosexuals for being homosexuals and still hate homosexuals. And applaud the death of innocents as "holy".

Respected pro-Israel Jewish scholars recognize Kahanism as quasi-fascist and violent criminal terrorist.

Kahane wanted to make it a crime punishable by law for a non-Jewish man to have sex with a Jewish woman

The Anti-Defamation League calls Kahanism terrorism.

So does the US State Department.

So does the Israeli government, especially after the Kahanist murder of Yitzhak Rabin.

The Council on Foreign Relations calls Kahanism terrorism.

The Center for Defense Information calls Kahanism terrorism.

Even David Horowitz's Front Page Magazine declares Kahanism terrorism.

Note, please, that aside from the US State Department, the Center for Defense Intelligence, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Washington Times, I have not named a single source that is not a Jewish source.

Ehud Sprinzak's expose of Kahanism remains the single best source I have found so far on Kahane and his thug followers. These people terrorized not just Arabs or Muslims but also Americans. Christians and even Jews.

For the record: I hereby officially declare that I utterly repudiate Kahanism. I don't believe that any prior positive comments about Kahane that appeared from Dean's World commenters were made with full understanding of his record, and they certainly were not made with my full understanding. But now that I am fully aware (and the rest of us are too), I utterly repudiate them. Are you pro-terrorist or anti-terrorist? If you're pro-terrorist then I want nothing to do with you.

Will Meryl Yourish make make such an unequivocal statement? Just curious.

I get a lot of people who tell me I should let this go. They even tell me that I should stop because I'm being "emotional." You know what? I am emotional: I f*cking hate terrorists. I don't want to reason with them or try to rationalize their behavior. I want the military and law enforcement authorities of free democracies to hunt them down and kill them, or lock them in a dungeon and throw away the key.

Just so you know where I stand.

I still have two questions I am waiting to have answered by Meryl Yourish and her apologists:

1) Do you unequivocally condemn terrorism or do you not?

2) Do you think it's okay for a Jew to murder Christians, Muslims, and even Jews--Americans as well as Arabs--if it's done in the name of Israel?

I await unequivocal answers to these questions which do not involve attacks upon my person, my sex, my motives, my friends, my faith, or my family. Just answer the questions.

I for one have no more olive branches to offer to terrorist apologists. I just want to know who the enemies of terrorism are.