I can't vote for this empty suit
Aziz P
"More than anything else, I want my candidacy to unify our country, to renew the American spirit and sense of purpose. I want to carry our message to every American, regardless of party affiliation, who is a member of this community of shared values . . . For those who have abandoned hope, we'll restore hope and we'll welcome them into a great national crusade to make America great again!"
sheesh. that guy's rhetoric is so vacuous and empty. And he doesn't even have any foreign policy experience at all. Plus, what's with the whole pessimism about America thing? Make America great again? So America isn't great now, huh Mr Hope and Change?
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Aziz, you show a real lack of forethought and wisdom before you start pounding your partisan drivel on the keyboard.
It's a question of what lies behind the drivel, something moderately intelligent or more drivel?
Reagan was speaking at a time when the Soviet Union was viewed as winning the Cold War -- and not a few people thought they deserved to. Socialism was ascendant, and "American" values of free enterprise and individualism were in decline.
Obama does not talk about America being a shining city on a hill; in his speeches HE is going to build the shining city on a hill, on top of the crap-pile that is America today:
"I’ve heard from seniors who were betrayed by CEOs who dumped their pensions while pocketing bonuses, and from those who still can’t afford their prescriptions because Congress refused to negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available price.
I’ve met Maytag workers who labored all their lives only to see their jobs shipped overseas; who now compete with their teenagers for $7-an-hour jobs at Wal-Mart.
I’ve spoken with teachers who are working at donut shops after school just to make ends meet; who are still digging into their own pockets to pay for school supplies.
Just two weeks ago, I heard a young woman in Cedar Rapids who told me she only gets three hours of sleep because she works the night shift after a full day of college and still can’t afford health care for a sister with cerebral palsy."
She wasn't crazy enough to say she'd never been proud of her country before her husband was in position to run it -- and if she had, her husband wouldn't have won the GOP nomination.
Look, Dems have a very different view of the country than Republicans. Reagan's message is something no Democrat can campaign on, because socialist prescriptions are built on the assumption that America is terribly flawed and needs the government to intervene to fix it.
It's the people who like him for his vaguely defined hope and change rhetoric that worry me, because they are incredibly naive.
If there are people who loved Reagan only because of the vaguely defined hope and change Aziz quoted, well I'd say they're incredibly naive too.
Think about that. Obama agrees that the purpose of America is to spread freedom worldwide. Sound like anyone you know?
But where does he plan to meddle?
I mean, one reason the US toppled Saddam is that it creates a place to meddle, and there really aren't many other places where it's an option. Countries with weak legislatures and corrupt police forces have powerful people who will insist that the legislature is strong and the police force is honest.
And he promises to hand over Iraq to whatever violently illiberal faction can seize it when our troops leave.
No one campaigns against freedom.
We had no effective response for any of it. We didn't even shoot any rabbits.
Obama doesn't think America is bad, he just thinks some have missed out on America's great economic prosperity.
Some of the changes Obama proposes are complementary to those Reagan proposed. Free market economies are the most productive in the world. But there are also things the market cannot perfectly provide -- these are called negative externalities -- and give reason for government regulation in areas such as the environment and health care. These are things most economists would agree with. So I would say that Obama wants to correct some of the deficiencies in the Reagan vision. But that does not call in to question the overall success of that vision.
And he's going to give them...
company?
That is very nice.
I'm no fan of McCain, but if we're being honest, he's got far better credentials when it comes to both working across party lines and affecting change.
Right now there are only three likely candidates for the presidency: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain. All three have advocated interventionist foreign policies albeit intervening in different places for different reasons. That means that the overwhelming likelihood is that, like it or not, we're going to have an interventionist president in 2009. It may be Clinton-style intervention or Bush-style intervention (I have long believed that the differences between the two are somewhat smaller than the prevailing shouting match would lead one to think) but it will be intervention nonetheless.
Right, but Obama wants to go beyond instances of market failures and negative externalities. Unless you consider individuals taking risk and making high incomes a negative externality.
Obama has said he wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts because they favor the wealthy who neither 'want' or 'need' them. This reveals that Obama either does not understand economics or that he values income equality over economic productivity.
I, for one, will never understand why some people knowingly choose a smaller pie for all in order to reduce variance in the distribution of income, but I suppose that is why I rarely (never?) vote Dem. I find the difference between Obama and Reagan on this to be quite stark.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.