Hard Count
Dave Price
Quoth Wikipedia on John McCain:
Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to give him medical care unless he gave them military information; they beat and interrogated him, but McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth,[51] Soon thinking he was near death, McCain said he would give them more information if taken to the hospital, hoping he could then put them off once he was treated.[53] A prison doctor came and said it was too late, as McCain was about to die anyway.[51] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care[51] and announce his capture. At this point, two days after McCain's plane went down, that event and his status as a POW made the front pages of The New York Times[39] and The Washington Post.[54] Interrogation and beatings resumed in the hospital; McCain gave his ship's name, squadron's name, and the attack's intended target.[55] Further coerced to give the names of his squadron members, he supplied the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line.Heh.
That is the funniest thing I've seen all day!
That information about McCain is very new to me, and quite extraordinary. Thank you. I feel very very guilty that I called McCain "boring" while watching him on TV last night.
I feel so guilty I am going to find a new and innovative way to punish myself, idiot pipsqueak that I am sometimes. Maybe a cold shower...
Still good story.
While John McCain was suffering, what was Jane Fonda doing?
Just wondering...
Quite a contrast with those British sailors captured by the Iranians, eh? And that was after he'd been tortured for a year.
I'm not challenging McCain's experiences in Nam. However, sometimes underground and unreliable claims in the past by definitely unreliable co-prisoners of the Cong may surface, not in the MSM necessarily, that reflect negatively on John McCain out of old grudges by old Nam vets.
Not to change the subject, but this is worth the read:
Gold Star Mother Gives Berkeley City Council (Berkeley, California) the Word
I hope you aren't interpreting the excerpt I posted as a negative; I view it as quite a positive show of character.
There have been prior negative comments about him by disgruntled Nam vets attempting to smear him politically and I suspect before the elections are over, it will happen again. I was just offering a cautionary note.
He was beaten (knocked around, as he described it) for refusing to meet with her. Others met with her only because they were tortured and forced to do it. After the POWs were released, Fonda called them "liars and hypocrites" when they described their torture.
Recalling that whole Jane Fonda thing really gets my blood boiling like few other things do.
McKiernan - good stuff on the link. The civility and dignity that this woman displays is striking when compared with the typical code pink antics.
it is not a spiritual crime to be woefully misled. It is simply, in my opinion, profoundly sad.
I don’t think Jane had (or has) a clue what the hell she was (is) doing.
As long as the light hits her face just right, she’s happy for the attention, and blah, blah, blah..
I'd wager even the vietcong knew she was an airhead.
He was in Merrill's Marauders.
You never really know.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.