Pry It From My Cold, Dead Hands...
Kevin D.
Am I talking about the newest attempt of the left to take away our 2nd Amendment rights?
Nope.
I'm talking about the latest attempt of the right to infringe upon our 1st Amendment rights.
Where is this battle taking place? A little known video game called Mass Effect. It may ring a bell for some of you here because I've talked about it recently. It's a fantastic RPG for the Xbox 360. It's one of the reasons I own a 360.
And now some idiot conservative is using it in his crusade against the 1st Amendment. And what bugs me most isn't that I think he's wrong, or misguided, or just plain dumb. No. What bugs me most is that he is flat-out lying. Here, read this tool's words yourself.
If you've played the game, you know how full of it this guy is. And you should also realize there's no way he could simply be mistaken. He's says things that are completely false. He points to the blue sky and tells us it's green when he knows for a fact it's blue.
But, as a service for those that have not played the game, I will go through this piece of journalistic trash for you.
It's called "Mass Effect" and it allows its players - universally male no doubt - to engage in the most realistic sex acts ever conceived.
First, the man is sexist. "Universally male?" Where's his data? And so what if he's right? That has no bearing whatsoever on the argument at hand unless he's saying male gamers share blame with BioWare (the makers of the game). As for realistic sex: No. I'm sorry but he's wrong. Pop in God of War. You actually get to see breasts in all their glory in that one. Is there sex in Mass Effect? Yep. There is. Is it realistic? I think it's plain to see that by "realistic" the writer means "graphic." And it's not. In fact, it's quite tame by any standard. Bare backsides, hugging, I think there was a hand on some steamed glass once.
Nothing you can't find on television.
Starting with the disgusting idea that one can "create" their own versions of what people look like, removing warts, moles, and bald spots while enhancing - shall we say - the extended features of the game's characters tends to objectify women, sex, and human relationships. Right? We can all agree on this?
No we can not agree!
And the process that he is so disgusted with is called character creation. And I'd think a sane person wouldn't have a problem with it. Except this man isn't sane. If I want to play a short, bald, fat man I can. If I want to make an object of sex I can. If I want to make an average joe I can. If I want to play a female I can. If I want to play a male I can (and I did). The writer of this piece seems to think gamers are only sex obsessed pre-teen males. Well, if he actually even looked at the box he'd see this game has an "M" rating. That means it's not supposed to be played by anyone under 17 anyway.
Then there's the dishonesty behind the game' title. "Mass Effect" sounds like a war game with a deadly virus that is spreading unless the GI-Joes are able to defeat the evil and deadly substance and it's covert war plan.
Dishonesty!? What the blankity-blank-blank-blankity-blank are you talking about? The game isn't called Rainbow Pony Shining Adventure in Chocolate River Land! And that this waste of human space draws any conclusions about what the title means is his own problem. Maybe if he read the back of the game's box he might be a little better educated.
By it's design, kids could ask for it, or for their parents' Best Buy Card to go purchase it with nary a raised eye-brow. Generic, non-descriptive, and relatively harmless.
Kids could ask for a nail gun if they wanted to. Do you want to argue nail guns are designed for kids to use? And it's (OMFG!!!) the parent's responsibility to be the gatekeeper for everything that lands in little Timmy's little Xbox 360.
And the title, Mass Effect, is not non-descriptive. It describes a scientific phenomenon that exists within the game. I do not know if this is described on the back of the box. And, really, it doesn't need to be.
But it IS marketed for the X-Box 360, perhaps the most visually stimulating gaming system ever made. The software for such allows the blending of DVD video, component graphics, and the manipulation of actual pictures so that an alternate reality engulfs the fifteen year old boy playing it without much objection.
I'd say the PS3 is more visually stimulating, but as this guy doesn't know anything about the game he's talking about I don't expect him to know anything about the console hardware either.
And why is a 15 year old playing Mass Effect? I just told you it's clearly marked for 17+.
Now if I have trouble with my son taking his James Bond 007 games a little too emotionally, imagine the powerful effect that hormones add to the mix when the player's own character is copulating like jack rabbits with super-models, actresses, and anyone else they can spend the patience to create, name, and "put into play."
Why is you son's emotional immaturity my problem?
And copulating like jack-rabbits? Where the hell is that in the game because I missed it!
The player can only have sex twice in the game. Again, both times are very, very tame and one of those times is only at the conclusion of persuing a romantic relationship with an NPC (non-player character). So, for that second jump in the hay, you're looking at some 20+ hours of persuit. Not exactly a sex-on-demand game, is it?
If a pre-teen, teen, young adult, or adult male plays such a game in which the women DO submit without choice, are made to appear as Barbie streetwalkers, and perform whatever act can be imagined, what's to stop that same male from assuming that the women in his "other world" shouldn't be forced to do the same.
You frakin' liar. You are a liar and should have your opinion page yanked. Never once in the game can you make any NPC do anything it doesn't want to do. Hell, you can't even get your own character to do whatever you want them to do! And, again, the two possible sex acts do not occur whenever the player likes. If someone comes away from Mass Effect thinking they can get women to do whatever they want whenever they want, they came to the game with those problems in the first place.
And because of the digital chip age in which we live - "Mass Effect" can be customized to sodomize whatever, whoever, however, the game player wishes.
NO IT CANNOT! You stinking liar!
Really, you have no idea how mad this makes me. I love video games. I want to make a living creating them. And to see a fantastic game smeared by some pathetic knuckle-dragging baboon sickens me. Not because he said it. But because there are people out there that will listend to him and never have the oppertunity to see the deceptive twit for what he really is.
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unfortunately this has become a favorite game of politicians and pundits from both sides of the aisle. YES, there are things that are inappropriate for children. YES, those things should be clearly labeled. But ultimately an adult should be allowed to make their own decisions and parents should be responsible enough (not to mention invested enough to be interested!) to police the media their children are consuming.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents.
I'm gonna be perfectly frank.
Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes
On while they're loafin' around that Hall?
They're tryin' out Bevo, tryin' out cubebs,
Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends!
And braggin' all about
How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen.
One fine night, they leave the pool hall,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground!" - Meredith Willson
Next thing you know they'll be reading dime novels!! Heaven help us.
Nice post capital-L.
Knock it off with with personal attacks or every comment you place on my threads will be removed.
This is your only warning.
I am tired of his schtick. If he wants to disagree with me that's fine. But keep it on topic and keep it from being personal. Otherwise I have no problem removing each and every word he writes.
I won't allow him to threadjack with his bile.
Anyway, I'm too jaded about people flying off their handle about the "latest" evil their kids are doing.
I guess what we need is a Michael Stackpole to write a Pulling Report for this generation.
I couldn't read past the third or fourth excerpted paragraph. Nothing against you; you just had me persuaded already, and the remaining paragraphs would only make me angrier.
I don't play video games. I have no interest in this game. But I play real RPGs (yes, I'm a paper-and-pencil snob, but I like what I like), and the same attacks could be and have been leveled there. And there, since the imagination is the game system, the man's complaints are arguably more accurate. And I just don't care: the censorship efforts are wrong, period.
The computer gaming industry has a rating system so parents can decide what's appropriate for their kids. Adults can make their own choices. Any attempt to impose choices on us is wrong, period.
Hey, I chuck dice too! In fact, I'm running a Battlestar Galactica RPG every other week.
Threadjack: How is BSG? What's the system like?
Don't answer if you'd rather stay on topic here. But I was curious when I saw it in the store last week; and I'm a little too broke right now to pick up a game just for curiosity's sake.
Kevin, this makes me EXTREMELY angry, also. I'm also considering going into video game design (been looking into the Guild Hall, actually, to get my masters) and I just finished MASS EFFECT. Great game. This guy is a frakin' moron but, unfortunately, some people will listen to him. What can we do? Hopefully as video games become even more mainstream people like this guy will find themselves in a shrinking minority.
ITEM TWO:
I am also a "dice chucker" as you put it! I run a GURPS game in my own setting bi-weekly. I was also doing a LORD OF THE RINGS game using Riddle Of Steel rules (set in the 4th Age), but it is on hiatus for a few weeks.
ITEM THREE:
You're running BSG!? I have the game book, but haven't played it yet. You're in L.A. right? (hint, hint, hint....)
Interesting.
But now the evidence of her stupidity and irrelevance is gone.
So it’s “he said, she said” from here on out, and valjean can play the martyr and no one questioning her take will ever be the wiser.
And while I don't know about 'personally attacking', I wouldn't disagree with it being characterized as counterproductive trolling, and removed on that basis.
Also, I enjoy daydreaming about making up a list of the public feedback eddresses for the entities advertising in rotation on that page, and then moseying on over to the Penny Arcade forums and posting it there along with the suggestion of everybody mass-emailing them all to state that if this guy or Hewitt/Townhall doesn't apologize toot-sweet for such blatant Beauchampery, one is going to blame them as accessories and hurt their business as feedback, so they just might want to consider putting some pressure on Hewitt et. al. to clean up their cirkin' act themselves.
Let him. He already did on a thread below by Dean (who wasn't talking about him) so anything I do isn't going to change the poor kid's attitude.
I'm tired of his shit. If he wants to say something constructive fine. But I'm sick and tired of the personal attacks and I will not allow it on my threads.
Jesse,
Actually, I put in for a job with Blizzard Entertainment in Irvine. That near L.A.?
Incidentally, make sure you run the cost-of-living comparisons before deciding to move. SoCal is brutally expensive.
Yes, but everyone who knows me has a different opinion. Kevin D is perhaps the biggest hypocrite and fucking prick I've ever had the dishonor to read. Dean's a giant asshole, but Kevin puts him to shame. Fuck you and the role-playing magic unicorn you rode in on.
Kevin claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ yet he plays violent role playing shooter games. He pretends to be some video game hero and a tough guy, but he's just a piece of garbage. He'll delete this post, but it's true.
If you have any guts, you'll keep this post to prove what an asshole I really am.
Dean banned Mark Adams, then Ara, then shep, then a few others, but he tolerates people who insult his family.
Mass Effect is a work of art. Not an exaggeration, the storyline is excellent, the visuals are stunning, and the characters are real and respond realistically and rationally to player decisions.
Incidentally, while not being religious, and having been known to tweak Kevin once or twice, I can safely say that in no version of the Bible have I found a prohibition against video games, fantasy, or any other such thing. The wannabe censor is the issue here, not Kevin's particular faith.
Kevin, these assholes want to hate the version of you they have constructed in their minds. It's simpler than actually responding to you. Of course, they're pretty simple to being with, complex personalities are a little beyond them. . .
...But I damn well might make that trip for a BSG game. :)
Don't let cost of living keep you from moving out here. Find a few roommates and it's completely affordable.... And Irvine ain't that bad anyway.
I think we've seen the answer here: it's you.
Clearly, despite your protestations, you enjoy being on this path.
Kunin,
I will keep your post up, but not for the reasons you'd like.
I'm going to talk to Dean about banning you. If he disagrees, as is his right, I will then edit your post. Chase after Naftali or something. He at least seems willing to entertain you. I am not.
Ryan
Sadist: "No."
Kunin: "Ban me so that I can play martyr!"
Seriously - get a life kid.
On topic - The opinion writer is an idiot, but that's a given. Anyone who walks away from a computer game thinking "I can kill anyone I want!" or "I can rape any woman I want!" probaly has problems with Road Runner cartoons and the Three Stooges also.
In Re: RPG's. I haven't chucked dice in a long time, years actually.
Edit.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.