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Great Balls Of Fire


Project Orion, re-imagined and visualized.

I'm always amazed by the fact the proposed Orion "super" spacecraft had a mass of 8 million tons. For comparison, a modern supercarrier is about 100,000 tons.

(via TalkPolywell)

UPDATE: More video on Project Orion here.

UPDATE: In the comments, CaliforniaJOSH raises an objection:
Dishman, in all fairness, you must understand that the moon has a thriving ecosystem, and any human intervention could in theory turn it into a lifeless hunck of dead rock and dust.
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Ronald Coleman (mail) (www):
Thanks for the link. I even read the whole Wikipedia article before watching the video.

It's cool. But, I mean, we have to all acknowledge there is something adolescent about the whole thing -- complete with "booms" in (soundless) outer space and the ultra-melodramatic orchestration...
1.7.2008 5:34pm
Thomas Emery:
It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it!
1.7.2008 5:45pm
Dishman (mail):
I've got to get me one of those.

Super-sized, of course.
1.7.2008 6:16pm
RyanR (www):
Actually ron, due to the reaction mass, you would (likely) hear a boom as the shock wave hit the spacecraft.

Ryan
1.7.2008 6:17pm
Intrope (mail):
If your outer-space explosion doesn't make noise, you need a bigger explosion! :D

I'd love to see a serious effort to explore how damaging it really would be; supposedly the original project greatly mitigated the problems (like fallout).

For that matter, it strikes me that keeping the Orion plans up-to-date would be very good insurance against big meteors and other unforseen issues. If the circumstances are dire enough, a little fallout's an acceptable price to pay.
1.7.2008 6:24pm
Ronald Coleman (mail) (www):
How does a "reaction mass" boom travel through a vacuum as sound in a way that other sounds don't, Ryan?
1.7.2008 6:28pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Well, Ron, I think he meant to the people on the ship. A metal hull is a great sound conductor. The actual boom would start with the metal itself, not the explosion per se.

Come on, Ron. You have to have read Footfall. Or King David's Spaceship. As an IP lawyer, you've gotta keep up with geek stuff, right? (Please don't shatter my illusions by telling me that non-geeks need IP law, too...)
1.7.2008 6:32pm
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
Ron:

Look at it like this, sounds are the result of sound waves. Sound waves are compression phenomena of the atmosphere. If you are in a spaceship and are close enough to a nuclear explosion, when the shock wave of the nuclear blast hits your ship, it is almost certainly going to generate compression waves in your ship's local atmosphere that you will hear as a "boom."

Sound doesn't travel in a vacuum, but the immediate area of a nuclear explosion isn't really a vacuum any longer. It's full of very rapidly moving particles that are flying away from the center of the explosion in all directions.
1.7.2008 6:32pm
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
I have to say, the title of the original post is downright inspired.
1.7.2008 6:34pm
CaliforniaJOSH:
I can see liberal environmentalists complaining already:

You'll pollute space with radiation! You'll change the environment of space. You'll cause galactic warming! Can't you use something that's not bad for the environment, like coal?
1.7.2008 8:19pm
Foobarista:
I've always thought that getting these puppies going would be an excellent reason for a space elevator. You'd build the thing in space, could start up immediately with nukes, and wouldn't need the enormous side-rockets, which would be insanely hard to engineer right (if doable at all).

In addition to numerous other advantages, Orion is probably the most reliable way to deal with rogue asteroids. If you had a space elevator, you could build - ideally well in advance - an Orion-powered "bulldozer" spaceship that would fly to an asteroid, push it out of a bad orbit, and fly back to Earth to be used again.
1.7.2008 8:52pm
Phelps (www):
WANT
1.7.2008 9:16pm
Dishman (mail):
Josh, I've run into that one already, and we weren't even talking about nuclear propulsion, nor even debris in orbit. It was things like "polluting the Moon".
1.7.2008 9:55pm
CaliforniaJOSH:
Dishman, in all fairness, you must understand that the moon has a thriving ecosystem, and any human intervention could in theory turn it into a lifeless hunck of dead rock and dust.
1.7.2008 10:16pm
Dishman (mail):
Nuke the moon.
1.8.2008 2:13am
CaliforniaJOSH:
It seems like every time I make it to the front page, those are the times I make all my grammar errors.

So logically I conclude I must make more errors if I wish to be on the front page.
1.8.2008 9:02pm

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