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Christians insist they worship same god as Muslims

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A church and Christian newspaper in Malaysia are suing the government after it decreed that the word "Allah" can only be used by Muslims.

In the Malay language "Allah" is used to mean any god, and Christians say they have used the term for centuries.

Opponents of the ban say it is unconstitutional and unreasonable. [...] There has been no official government comment but parliamentary opposition leader Lim Kit Siang said the decision to ban the word for non-Muslims on security grounds was "unlawful". "The term 'Allah' was used to refer to God by Arabic-speaking Christians before Arabic-speaking Muslims existed," he said.

Well, one comment: obviously, the ban is wrong and any muslim supporting it is an idiot.

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Aziz (mail) (www):
btw Daniel, rec'd your post text for rebutting Sensing. Just havent had a chance to post it yet. I'll probably wait for a few days so things arer spacedd out a bit. Just wanted you to know I havent forgotten :)
12.28.2007 3:53pm
TallDave (mail) (www):
And if you guys want to starting calling Mohammed Jesus, we won't complain.
12.28.2007 4:36pm
Aziz (mail) (www):
td, lol :)
12.28.2007 4:40pm
zach.:
Aziz,

I agree with the sentiment here, but the plain text of the article more says that Christians use the same WORD for god as Muslims. This is not the same as saying they worship the same god. Though I think that point could be (and has been!) proven using more authoritative sources (koran, etc.).
12.28.2007 6:29pm
McKiernan:
I cannot find the word Allah in the Catholic Catechism.

That settles it, the christian church and newspaper in Malaysia lose.

But they can use the word, Deus.
12.28.2007 7:20pm
Dean Esmay:
"God" is just an English word. "Allah" is simply Arabic for the same word, which Arab Christians and Jews have been using for well over a thousand years.

Although dealing with Christian bigotry does get tiresome I'm sure (I certainly find it embarrassing), I do think the English speaking Muslim community would do well to use the English equivalent "God" just to seem less weird and alien to people who aren't well-informed. Nothing will move those who are utterly determined to see Islam as evil and alien, but others can be educated easily enough I'd think.
12.28.2007 7:34pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):
Dude, His name is "Bob"
12.28.2007 7:45pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
Dean,

All things, considered, I'm hardly the guy to lecture anybody about the ethincs of naming their deity.

But if jewish Americans can call their god HaShem ("the name"), then why can't islamic Americans call their god Allah?

And what's weird about any of that?

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
12.28.2007 8:21pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):

But if jewish Americans can call their god HaShem ("the name"), then why can't islamic Americans call their god Allah?

And what's weird about any of that?
Oh, they can call their respective gods anything they want - but that's precisely the problem!

Its not really the name but whether the fact of having different names means they are, in fact, different gods.

You see, despite every claim to the contrary, the differing textual grounds, differing means of worship, differing views on what the god in question would do in various situations, and differing views on what behaviors us mortals perform [dis]pleases said god, those gods are the same - or so I'm told.
12.28.2007 9:06pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):
Oh, and before anyone snarks, I actually do believe they're the same - but I don't agree with anyone's conception of that God. You're all flat-out wrong [and so am I, but at least I know it]
12.28.2007 9:09pm
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
Heretics, you are all heretics!! The proper word is "Zeus" as all true believers know!
12.28.2007 11:06pm
pennywit (mail) (www):
Would mentioning Spaghetti Monsters be appropriate here?

--|PW|--
12.29.2007 3:57am
Elisha Feger (mail) (www):
With the way Aziz words the title, it would be just as fair to say "Muslims insist that Christians worships a different god"
12.29.2007 4:01am
Dean Esmay:
True enough, Elisha. And just as foolish phrased either way.
12.29.2007 6:26am
Aziz (mail) (www):
absolutely true Elisha. Just as fair... in other words, unfair.
12.29.2007 8:37am
Dean Esmay:
The term "Hashem" isn't meant to be God's name. It's meant to be a substitute word to avoid giving offense. Literally it means "The Name" (i.e. they say "The Name" instead of the actual name or names).
12.29.2007 10:58am
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