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For most of us, it's the holiday season (Solstice for me, thank you very much!), and that means presents. If someone on your list has an interest in games, Mighty Pony Girl has a fantastic article on the subject. It's written as a guide for parents, and does a tremendous job covering things like the ESRB and what consoles might or might not be age-appropriate. I highly recommend this article...

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Kevin D (mail) (www):
Looks pretty solid. As an avid gamer I'm sick of my hobby getting demonized in the media and by ignorant politicians. I'd applaud the article if it consisted of the chart comparing the ESRB ratings to the MPAA ratings alone!

People need to realize that the kids of the 80s that played games are adults in the 00s and they want more adult titles. "M" rated games are not being peddled to children.

"AO" games are. ;-P
12.5.2007 12:32pm
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Hear hear!
Though I do think that "adult" to me means "serious exploration of moral themes" (CF: System Shock), rather than gratuitous violence and nudity.
12.5.2007 12:50pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):
Seems a good place to ask:
My brother is in Afghanistan and wants some games for his Mac notebook, which is brand spankin' new. He's got WinXP on it, but I'm wondering if there are any good native games for the Mac out that he might not have seen. He likes things like Rome, RTS's, etc. I haven't looked and I admit to being fairly braindead when it comes to PC games.
12.5.2007 2:02pm
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
To the best of my knowledge, there are _no_ AAA games that are Mac native. I've got a lot of Mac snark I'm not using here, so I'll just keep it to that...
12.5.2007 2:12pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):
Isn't "Mac gamer" a contradiction in terms?

My Mac snark shall not be contained!
12.5.2007 2:37pm
Dan the Highway guy (mail) (www):
It's sad that the same 'code' that the movies use was transplanted to video games. I guess it works for consistency, and it's defensible by the ESRB, but it's a stupid rating system, just as it is with movies.

It shouldn't mask the content in any way. It should be truthful and honest about it. But the "wholesale violence is fine, but one boob makes it 'adult'" formulation is not.

So instead of decoding what's in the game from what it says, people have to decode the rating. Just another layer of obfuscation for people to drill through.
12.5.2007 2:45pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):

To the best of my knowledge, there are _no_ AAA games that are Mac native.

OK, thanks. I'll just get him stuff for his WinXP.
12.5.2007 4:01pm
zach.:
Dan,

I don't get your argument here. What would you put in place of the ratings?
12.5.2007 4:02pm
Elisha Feger (mail) (www):
Content labels I'd imagine. "Gratuitous sex" "Holy schnozz look at those knockers" "Ripping people in half in slow-motion" "Bullet riddled zombies shambling towards you"
12.5.2007 4:08pm
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Elisha: Once I riddle the Zombies/Nazis/Zombie-Nazis with bullets, they'd better stop shambling and start dropping... :)
12.5.2007 5:05pm
Dan the Highway guy (mail) (www):
zach, something like what Elisha said. Yeah, maybe some will use that as a selling point, to get 'tons of gratuitous violence' on the label by someone else, but that would be better than 'mild sexual themes' being code for 'boobs'.

And differentiation between 'retail' and 'wholesale' violence might be good. As in 'people get ripped apart in detail' vs 'tons of zombie killing'.

I realize that it might be more difficult to do these kinds of ratings, but it would definitely help parents deal with pressure from their kids about the games, and help them make informed decisions about the things for their children.

Personally, I also have issues with what I mentioned, that anything 'sexual' is weighted far worse than violence. But that's in a lot of people's minds, so I don't know if that's gonna make any headway.
12.5.2007 5:49pm
Acksiom (mail) (www):
My rule of thumb for evaluating rating systems -- and arguments regarding the control of children's access to information in general -- is to apply them to the bible.
12.5.2007 7:05pm
RyanR (www):
Acksiom- That earned a chuckle from me. People that cringe at the slightest sexual reference clearly aren't reading their entire bibles.

Ryan
12.5.2007 10:06pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):
Ryan,

People that cringe at the slightest sexual reference clearly aren't reading their entire bibles.

Sexual refrences in the Bible aren't there to titillate. Stories that involve sex serve a specific purpose - to foretell/fulfill a blessing/prophecy, to serve as a moral lesson, indicate bloodline, et al. Sex in video games (in most media for that matter) exists to titillate alone. It serves no purpose other than itself. Sex for the sake of sex.

So, it appears, you are not reading the Bible either if you think there's any comparison at all to be had.
12.6.2007 12:42am
Dean Esmay:
Haven't read the Song of Solomon (aka Song of Songs) yet, have you Kevin? [Titter]
12.6.2007 2:58pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):
That isn't there to titillate either. It's an expression of love between a man and a woman.

Please, if you would, tell me how the Song of Solomon compares the the sex mini-game in God of War? Or the depiction of sex in most film and television?

I expected a little bit more from you, Dean.
12.6.2007 6:13pm
Acksiom (mail) (www):
Please, if you would, tell me how the Song of Solomon compares [to?] the the sex mini-game in God of War? Or the depiction of sex in most film and television?


Well, for starters, there's "supposedly equally protected by the 1st Amendment".

What else, what else. . .ah, yes, "potentially titillating, regardless of supposed creative intention, and therefore likewise supposedly posing some kind of 'risk' to certain parties, and thereby likewise subject to evaluation by the rating systems established to assist in 'protecting' said parties from said supposed 'risk'."

So there's a couple of significant ones right there.

Look, at this point, the vast majority of kids can walk into their local library and grab modern chick-lit off the shelves to read -- books which contains passages that are pretty much only a couple of bilabial fricatives away from outright brown-bag porn. That right there basically puts the lie to all this 'to protect the innocent little kiddies' nonsense.

I'm not opposed to rating systems, but let's face it, they're a lot more about easing parental worries OOH and relatively painlessly bleeding off the totalitarian elitist Thought Police tendencies of part of the community OTOH than they're about, OTGH, actually 'protecting' kids from teh horrorz uv TEH SECKS OMFGWTFBBQ!
12.6.2007 9:12pm
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