A good idea, kind of…
Trudy W. Schuett
From the SF Examiner
Experts and therapists attending a conference in The City this week, co-sponsored by the Archdiocese of San Francisco, say men who have been traumatized by abortion have few places to turn to be healed.
Titled “Reclaiming Fatherhood,” the two-day event has been touted by organizers as the first of its kind in the country.
Little research has been conducted exploring the effect of abortions on men, conference organizers say.
First, let me say I have no opinion on abortion. Both sides seem to have valid points. Seems to me if the lawmakers hadn’t gotten involved, it would’ve been a different issue.
Anyway, it is nice that somebody is thinking about the other party in the situation. It’s been all about the woman for far too long.
Having said that, I still wonder why it is that so many domestic violence programs sponsored by Catholic community services are run by hardline, “men are pigs, women are idiots” feminists. I don’t mean to single out the Catholics here – the Episcopalians, Lutherans, Baptists, Jews, etc., are just as bad when it comes to DV programs they run as part of their larger charitable efforts.
I guess a little bit of hypocrisy comes with the territory of organized religion ;>)
Find irrational hyperbole here
I agree, there's plenty of hyperbole in the feminist world, and feminism's intrusion into academia has led to some pretty silly results. But let's not dismiss domestic violence programs because there are some nut cases out there. It's a big world.
An alternate complete negation would be "Men are morons, women are abusive". Better yet, "If a man strikes a woman, it's prima facie evidence that she has manipulated and abused him until he is no longer capable of rational judgement".
The view that “men are pigs, women are idiots" is both misandrist and misogynist. Trudy rejects both sides of it. She has provided ample evidence of both its prevalnce and her rejection in other postings.
As I understand it, you read it as only rejecting the misandry.
In general, you might find the conversation more edifying if you start from the assumption that you're late to the conversation and the front pagers here at DW have thought things through at least a little bit.
Did I bond with all of them? I did just that. I'm glad they came to life as children of Stefi and Arnold Harris.
But it is -- and always has been -- my wife whom I value above all other persons and all other considerations. And yes, I would put her interests ahead of the children. They all know this, and respect us the more for that.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
To some, failure to procreate represents a failure as a biological unit.
I think the answer, is that, the therapy people are usually women in undergraduate programs. In order to become a therapist one of the requirements is that one must accumulate something like 5 thousand hours (talking mostly to teenagers and or abuse victims). If one survives, one can get a PhD or something.
So guess which sex talks the most hours to most undergrad psychology majors of which sex ?
Next.
Let's see,
Arnold had four children, his wife said they're mine, and Arnold said, Okay.
In the meantime, since Roe vs Wade, there have been some 40 million abortions, about which we are told that Trudy has no opinions.
There seems to be some dis-connects there.
We had four children. I'm fairly certain they all are mine as well as Stefi's.
And if not, I wouldn't truly give much of a damn. I bonded with them as much as Stefi did. Or at least I hope I did; because I'm still partially paying for the upkeep of two of them.
In any case, some of them at least act like I do, which is snotty, and knowing the answers before the questions are even asked.
One of them is blond, like my wife; the other three dark haired. Three are comparatively tall; one comparatively short.
Two of them had the good sense to get into professional computer animation design, in a age when all the idiots of the world gave up on television and started in on trying to destroy all the aliens on the planet Mongo. (And paying game companies for the privilege if doing all that with good software.) A third hopes to become an MD, the fourth a combination nurse, EMS technician and on-call fire fighter.
But I don't bond emotionally or any other way with globs of protoplasma or whatever it is that turns into an embryo in a pregnant woman. That to me, and my wife, is something that awaits a live birth.
Do I love all of them? You bet. Would I have banged on the walls at the thought of Stefi aborting any of them before birth? No way. She's the mother, and I would have backed her call.
Wanna argue more about any of this?
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.