Now they can admit that they have been overestimating the aids crisis, maybe because the money is drying up for their inflated cause, and now they have a new inflated cause anyway....big and bad carbon dioxide.
that presumes that it's the same people working on both aids and global warming. i'd estimate that, at most, there is less than 1 crossover scientist between the two teams.
The handwriting was on the wall when Fishbein blew the whistle on shoddy research techniques a couple of years ago. Now they've pretty much admitted that they grossly exaggerated the scope of the disease everywhere but sub-saharan Africa. I expect soon they'll be admitting that they did so there as well, because African "AIDS" is indistinguishable from malaria, cholera, dysentary, and plain old malnutrition.
It's probably the biggest medical scandal of my lifetime. I expect few if any apologies though.
first off, if they're so tied to administration that they can jump from one field to a wholly different one successfully, then they are probably more aptly labeled administrators and not scientists. Second, even then I doubt that there are many, if any.
I've just started reading Gary Taubes book, Good Calories, Bad Calories. It describes how scientists, government, and media arrived at a consensus that Americans would live longer if they reduced the fat in their diets--even though there were zero scientific studies that proved this, and in fact some studies showed just the opposite.
It's disturbing to read how the "experts" can just ignore the actual science to push an agenda. As I'm reading the book, I'm seeing a lot of parallels with what's happening in some areas of the the climate change controversy: scientists with loud voices cherrypick the science, media raise the alarm because "scary" sells, skeptics are demonized, congressmen hold high-profile hearings, and statisticians are appalled by how the studies are being promoted.
Well, Scare-mongering over AIDS is at worst a gigantic money sink, pulling money from other disease research areas.
Scare-mongering over climate change is much worse as it is not only a gigantic money sink, but a potential to drastically reduce or ruin economies and to set up the most anti-democratic government systems for "the peoples' own good"
[last lines]
Marion: Hey, what happened? You don't look very happy.
Indiana: Fools. Bureaucratic fools.
Marion: What'd they say?
Indiana: They don't know what they've got there.
Marion: Well, I know what I've got here. Come on. I'll buy you a drink. You know, a drink?
[Marion surprises him with a right cross to the jaw]
Marion: I've learned to hate you in the last ten years.
Indiana: I never meant to hurt you.
Marion: I was a child. I was in love. It was wrong and you knew it.
Indiana: You knew what you were doing.
Marion: Now I do. This is my place. Get out.
Whether or not you're addressing Scott's point depends on who "they" are. If we're talking about scientists, then you're right. If we're talking about bureaucrats and the UN organization as a whole, then you've missed it.
The ones doing actual work (like scientists) are peons. They're disposable. It's the organization that matters.
Dr. James Chin from the WHO (since quit), is a heroic figure in all this
From the article:
James Chin, a former World Health Organization AIDS expert who has long been critical of UNAIDS, said that even these revisions may not go far enough. He estimated the number of cases worldwide at 25 million.
"If they're coming out with 33 million, they're getting closer. It's a little high, but it's not outrageous anymore."
That's one way to cure 7 million people -- strike them off the books:) Oops -- they you don't exist, please return your red ribbons!
Essentially, AIDS has morphed into a jobs protection program for mediocre scientists and international health bureaucrats, shrouded by a lotta do-gooding hype and propaganda.
In America, way more people are making money off AIDS, than dying from AIDS.
The only social coercion I see on AIDS are "walk for the cure" kind of things (i.e. charities "if you don't donate you don't care" kind of thing).
The type of social coercion I see in Global Warming is down right scary and anti-democratic. Let's face it, Gore in his rhetoric and attitude combines Lysenko, Stalin and a fundamentalist preacher all in one; I'm sure the Ironman (Stalin) is looking up from his grave saying "Damn, that guy's GOOD"
It does not matter who the scientist were or are, I am talking about the UN as an organization, and just how corrupt they are, and how they use scare monger tactics to advance their ideas, even if they are not backed up by scientific research, but by bureaucratic need. IE give me money for my organization, as I try to pull at your heart strings, or your fears, regardless of what the science actually says.
The UN needs to be disbanded as it is the most undemocratic supporting organization in the world. The Dictators control their power over their countries with the UN's blessings.
Commenting on Dean's World is a privilege, not a right. Dean is your host, you are his guest, and you should behave in that fashion. Dean is not your babysitter, nor is he your punching bag. Please remember this. In general, you are free to disagree with anyone on any subject you wish, but abusive behavior will not be tolerated.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.
that presumes that it's the same people working on both aids and global warming. i'd estimate that, at most, there is less than 1 crossover scientist between the two teams.
It's probably the biggest medical scandal of my lifetime. I expect few if any apologies though.
When you pay people to see a problem, amazingly, they see the problem most of the time.
first off, if they're so tied to administration that they can jump from one field to a wholly different one successfully, then they are probably more aptly labeled administrators and not scientists. Second, even then I doubt that there are many, if any.
It's disturbing to read how the "experts" can just ignore the actual science to push an agenda. As I'm reading the book, I'm seeing a lot of parallels with what's happening in some areas of the the climate change controversy: scientists with loud voices cherrypick the science, media raise the alarm because "scary" sells, skeptics are demonized, congressmen hold high-profile hearings, and statisticians are appalled by how the studies are being promoted.
Scare-mongering over climate change is much worse as it is not only a gigantic money sink, but a potential to drastically reduce or ruin economies and to set up the most anti-democratic government systems for "the peoples' own good"
no, I get it and agree with Dave. I was just addressing Scott's point.
Marion: Hey, what happened? You don't look very happy.
Indiana: Fools. Bureaucratic fools.
Marion: What'd they say?
Indiana: They don't know what they've got there.
Marion: Well, I know what I've got here. Come on. I'll buy you a drink. You know, a drink?
Marion: I've learned to hate you in the last ten years.
Indiana: I never meant to hurt you.
Marion: I was a child. I was in love. It was wrong and you knew it.
Indiana: You knew what you were doing.
Marion: Now I do. This is my place. Get out.
Whether or not you're addressing Scott's point depends on who "they" are. If we're talking about scientists, then you're right. If we're talking about bureaucrats and the UN organization as a whole, then you've missed it.
The ones doing actual work (like scientists) are peons. They're disposable. It's the organization that matters.
From the article:
James Chin, a former World Health Organization AIDS expert who has long been critical of UNAIDS, said that even these revisions may not go far enough. He estimated the number of cases worldwide at 25 million.
"If they're coming out with 33 million, they're getting closer. It's a little high, but it's not outrageous anymore."
That's one way to cure 7 million people -- strike them off the books:) Oops -- they you don't exist, please return your red ribbons!
Chin's book:AIDS Pandemic: The Collision of Epidemiology With Political Correctness," said from Berkeley, Califbook is must reading.
Essentially, AIDS has morphed into a jobs protection program for mediocre scientists and international health bureaucrats, shrouded by a lotta do-gooding hype and propaganda.
In America, way more people are making money off AIDS, than dying from AIDS.
HankB
To be fair, the second movie was set a year before the first. And Marion (Karen Allen) will return in Indiana 4.
Anyway, I printed the WaPo article out for the folks at the Health Dept. Crestfallen reactions in a couple of cases....
you're right, yeah.
The top men get the glory.
The bottoms get the pain.
That really says it all, doesn't it?
"Oh no, fewer people are sick!"
Expect the same with global warming, if temperatures fall as some solar-model advocates believe.
And then on to the next Malthusian scare...
The only social coercion I see on AIDS are "walk for the cure" kind of things (i.e. charities "if you don't donate you don't care" kind of thing).
The type of social coercion I see in Global Warming is down right scary and anti-democratic. Let's face it, Gore in his rhetoric and attitude combines Lysenko, Stalin and a fundamentalist preacher all in one; I'm sure the Ironman (Stalin) is looking up from his grave saying "Damn, that guy's GOOD"
Does this mean the UN is actually just a giant glory-hole?
Cause I've suspected something like that for a very long time.
It does not matter who the scientist were or are, I am talking about the UN as an organization, and just how corrupt they are, and how they use scare monger tactics to advance their ideas, even if they are not backed up by scientific research, but by bureaucratic need. IE give me money for my organization, as I try to pull at your heart strings, or your fears, regardless of what the science actually says.
The UN needs to be disbanded as it is the most undemocratic supporting organization in the world. The Dictators control their power over their countries with the UN's blessings.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.