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What Do Feminists Believe?

There's a good discussion going on at A Woman for Men's Rights on what feminists believe they're about (across several posts, BTW.)

I've stayed out of it, mostly because I've been working & playing catch-up in other areas, and there just hasn't been time. I do want to point out, though, that in the past few months I've been doing some research on feminism in spare moments, and have discovered that inexplicably, the deeper I dig, the less I find.

I've got some time off coming up, so I'll explain that last in greater detail down the road.

Posted by Trudy W. Schuett | Permalink | Technorati Trackbacks
zach.:
It seems to me that the very first definition provided, that by "The Happy Feminist" is both reasonable and substantive. Most of the rest are fairly non-objectionable as well, and stress a differentiation between pluralistic feminism and dogmatic (or radical) feminism. That your experience is that you're digging into an empty philosophy, is it possible you aren't digging in the right places?
11.5.2007 9:37am
zach.:
I also have to say kudos to KellyMac for starting and hosting such a civil engagement about what is likely THE most contentious issue on a blog titled "A Woman for Men's Rights".
11.5.2007 10:22am
Trudy W. Schuett (mail) (www):
Well, what, in your view, would be the "right" places?

I'm using the typical resources generally available to libraries, as well as the internet. Can't imagine what else there would be.

???
11.5.2007 11:44am
zach.:
Trudy,

sorry, that wasn't meant to be a rhetorical question. I don't know where else you might find resources other than possibly academic journals or small-press books your library might not have access to. All I was saying is that there are several substantive and useful definitions posted up at AWfMR, and I don't see how those could be considered an empty philosophy.
11.5.2007 12:25pm
Acksiom (mail) (www):
With all due respect to KellyMac, Trudy, and everyone else involved. . .this is pretty much a fruitless, pointless endeavor. I know because I've not only been there and done that, but even entrepreneured the t-shirt concession.

Definitions of feminism are like rectums -- everybody's got one, and all they ever produce is shit.

When you get right down to essentials -- when you finally get rid of all the distractive smoke and mirrors and drag people down to the rock bottom reality -- it turns out that people call themselves 'feminist' simply because they have an emotional attachment to the term. I've been over and over and OVER this ground in the past, and every single time, all it ever boils down to is how it makes people feel to identify themselves with the label. You can prove to them by their own supposed standards that the actual term itself is not just meaningless but actively self-contradictory and counterproductive, and they will still go on using it to describe themselves nevertheless.

So my strong advice to Trudy, KellyMac, and anyone else attempting to map this mammoth-killing tar pit of substandard self-indulgent gender elitism is to stop and ask yourself WHAT you are really trying to accomplish, and HOW establishing a 'definitive' taxonomy of 'feminism' is expectably going to help you achieve that goal.

Because I can pretty much guarantee you, from experience, that the answer to the second question is "Not at all."
11.5.2007 8:16pm
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