After all, California never had out of control brush fires before the BusHitler came to power. Except this (where I had to escape ahead of flames), and this, and a few others, like this.
And before Reid tries pulling the AGW chain, he should wonder about his very own 1997 Kyoto vote...
This is as bad as the fires have ever been, as far as I can remember. We usually only have a big fire, not multiple big fires. But then again I'm in my 30's, so I'm not the right guy to ask. I'm sure the old times will have some stories. The Santa Ana winds are whats doing us in right now.
Next up will be mudslides this winter and spring, in Malibu. Heck, it happens even without the fires. Pacific Coast Highway will be shut down.
If Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear burn a lot, when real estate hits it's bottom in a few years, that'll make for some excellent buying opportunities.
Right now I have my windows all shut, and there's ash in the air and on the ground, and I'm a long ways away from the fires. My eyes hurt, and I've been indoors all day. I'm so close to the ocean (about 500 feet) that I'm not too worried, but if they don't get it under control things could get bad. Heck, the Marines evacuated camp Pendleton.
We should claim it's a terrorist attack by Iran. Some Persians flicked some cigarettes, therefore the Iranian government has launched multiple terrorist attacks. Hey, they use that type of logic on us.....
I could believe that the frequency and severity of fires is caused by increased carbon dioxide levels. That's not hard. It has a direct impact on the efficiency of photosynthesis. Plant growth rate is roughly proportional to (%CO2)^x where 0.5 < x < 1 and varies from plant to plant.
That's a bad thing when you're talking about Eucalyptus in California. It's a bad good thing when you're talking about staples that can feed otherwise starving little brown people.
Somehow, I just can't wrap my mind around CO2 always being bad.
A significant number of the fires are believed or known to have been set deliberately. Global warming makes people start fires? Is there anything it can't do?
"there is a bias for prioritizing bad news over good in human nature, a product of our inherited evolutionary psychology: the more paranoid early humans, living in a dangerous environment as they did, were more likely to survive and reproduce"
OK... It's good to see a right winger accept evolution.
It's bad to apply evolutionary psychology to everything without evidence.
A suicide bomber killing 10 people is news.
And we didn't save any lives by invading Iraq.
This has nothing to do with evolutionary psychology, and everything to do with your deranged sense that "good news" is just as important as "bad news". it isn't.
Furthermore, those fighting the fires in California have reported a marked shift in the climate (yes, that would be "climate change") resulting in much drier conditions than normal.
As irresponsible as it is to attribute individual events to climate change, it's more irresponsible to categorically deny the effect of climate change on such events.
One position is based on science, the other, denial. I'll take science (even if it can't be definitive) over obstructive denial (due to politics not science) any day.
There are more houses in more places than at any time in the history of California. Certainly there were plenty of fires in the past that didn't do much property damage because there was no property in these remote canyons to burn.
ME: "Furthermore, those fighting the fires in California have reported a marked shift in the climate (yes, that would be "climate change") resulting in much drier conditions than normal. "
Yeah, it's called Santa Ana winds, and according to the Indians it's been happening long before the industrial revolution.
I just love it when scientists point out the correlation between CO2 and temperature. The same scientists that taught us "correlation does not mean causation"... Consider this, temperatures rise because of a change of brightness of the sun (it happens), so life on earth thrives more, and produces more CO2.
CO2 is a wimpy greenhouse gas, unlike methane, which itself is nothing compared to water vapor (clouds).
Please explain how humans caused the drastic global warming of the past, before humans existed.
There's groupthink going on in the science circles, and there's more to the story than they let on.
This is not to say there isn't a problem. Taking carbon out of the ground and putting it into the atmosphere is certainly foolish, but there's more to the story than the wonderful media lets on.
We should destroy the market for oil, in order to save the environment. Oh, and we can take down some of our enemies while we're at it. I declare Jihad against oil
Sure we did, just ask the Kurds and Shia still digging out mass graves.
By the numbers: the average number of people killed by violence during Saddam's reign was 7,000 per month. The average since is much lower, around 2500 by most estimates.
OK - I stand corrected on the vote - I'm sure Harry Reid had important constituent work to do that day...
Anyway, the reason the fires are getting seemingly worse is population growth and developers building in the canyons, along with idiots setting fires. Arson in this situation should be subject to immediate hanging, ideally from an about-to-burn eucalyptus tree; those bad boys are essentially silos of gasoline and go up like giant Roman candles...
When I was a kid, I never liked October, because it was always the month for fires, earthquakes, and stock market crashes.
10.24.2007 11:22pm
Commenting on Dean's World is a privilege, not a right. Dean is your host, you are his guest, and you should behave in that fashion. Dean is not your babysitter, nor is he your punching bag. Please remember this. In general, you are free to disagree with anyone on any subject you wish, but abusive behavior will not be tolerated.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.
And before Reid tries pulling the AGW chain, he should wonder about his very own 1997 Kyoto vote...
Next up will be mudslides this winter and spring, in Malibu. Heck, it happens even without the fires. Pacific Coast Highway will be shut down.
If Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear burn a lot, when real estate hits it's bottom in a few years, that'll make for some excellent buying opportunities.
Right now I have my windows all shut, and there's ash in the air and on the ground, and I'm a long ways away from the fires. My eyes hurt, and I've been indoors all day. I'm so close to the ocean (about 500 feet) that I'm not too worried, but if they don't get it under control things could get bad. Heck, the Marines evacuated camp Pendleton.
We should claim it's a terrorist attack by Iran. Some Persians flicked some cigarettes, therefore the Iranian government has launched multiple terrorist attacks. Hey, they use that type of logic on us.....
That's a bad thing when you're talking about Eucalyptus in California. It's a
badgood thing when you're talking about staples that can feed otherwise starvinglittle brownpeople.Somehow, I just can't wrap my mind around CO2 always being bad.
OK... It's good to see a right winger accept evolution.
It's bad to apply evolutionary psychology to everything without evidence.
A suicide bomber killing 10 people is news.
And we didn't save any lives by invading Iraq.
This has nothing to do with evolutionary psychology, and everything to do with your deranged sense that "good news" is just as important as "bad news". it isn't.
Furthermore, those fighting the fires in California have reported a marked shift in the climate (yes, that would be "climate change") resulting in much drier conditions than normal.
As irresponsible as it is to attribute individual events to climate change, it's more irresponsible to categorically deny the effect of climate change on such events.
One position is based on science, the other, denial. I'll take science (even if it can't be definitive) over obstructive denial (due to politics not science) any day.
He was one of the four not voting that day. Strangely Feinstein was another, as was Harkin and Bryan, the other Nevada senator at the time.
All four were Democrats.
buk buk buk...
Missed that one...
Damned self-correcting Internet medium!!!
Yeah, it's called Santa Ana winds, and according to the Indians it's been happening long before the industrial revolution.
I just love it when scientists point out the correlation between CO2 and temperature. The same scientists that taught us "correlation does not mean causation"... Consider this, temperatures rise because of a change of brightness of the sun (it happens), so life on earth thrives more, and produces more CO2.
CO2 is a wimpy greenhouse gas, unlike methane, which itself is nothing compared to water vapor (clouds).
Please explain how humans caused the drastic global warming of the past, before humans existed.
There's groupthink going on in the science circles, and there's more to the story than they let on.
This is not to say there isn't a problem. Taking carbon out of the ground and putting it into the atmosphere is certainly foolish, but there's more to the story than the wonderful media lets on.
We should destroy the market for oil, in order to save the environment. Oh, and we can take down some of our enemies while we're at it. I declare Jihad against oil
Sure we did, just ask the Kurds and Shia still digging out mass graves.
By the numbers: the average number of people killed by violence during Saddam's reign was 7,000 per month. The average since is much lower, around 2500 by most estimates.
Anyway, the reason the fires are getting seemingly worse is population growth and developers building in the canyons, along with idiots setting fires. Arson in this situation should be subject to immediate hanging, ideally from an about-to-burn eucalyptus tree; those bad boys are essentially silos of gasoline and go up like giant Roman candles...
When I was a kid, I never liked October, because it was always the month for fires, earthquakes, and stock market crashes.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.