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Via Ace, Dan Rather is suing CBS, claiming the obviously-forged-in-MS Word Bush National Guard memos were real.

Also real, according to this lawsuit: werewolves, Bigfoot, those gray aliens on X-Files, the Loch Ness monster, vampires, phrenology, the "real killers" OJ's been looking for on golf courses lo these past dozen years, and little Timmy O'Toole, the boy trapped in the well.

UPDATE: Thanks to Stace in the comments for pointing us to this Mary Mapes piece at HuffPo, which I'm not entirely convinced is real. Could a CBS producer really be this loony?
Instantly, the far right blogosphere bully boys pronounced themselves experts on document analysis, and began attacking the form and font in the memos. They screamed objections that ultimately proved to have no basis in fact. But they captured the argument. They dominated the discussion by churning out gigabytes of mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the "a," the dip on the top of the "t," the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.
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This is not a new fight. Journalism has always pissed people off. It is supposed to. It should be provocative. It should ask hard questions of everyone on every side. It shouldn't play favorites and it shouldn't fear honest criticism.
Oh, the irony!

Humor aside, this is what people on the right are referring to when they talk about BDS and the incredibly pathological bias of the MSM. It's hard to imagine anyone at the Weekly Standard or even NewsMax going this crazy. And remember, these people are supposed to be objective.

Note too how supportive the HuffPo commentariat are of this lunacy. This is not a reality-based community.

And, again, just imagine if Bill Burkett had had the modicum of competence to obtain a 1971 typewriter on Ebay. Just imagine.

UPDATE: OK, I take back that part about NewsMax. They might be this crazy.

UPDATE: Via Glenn, more hilarity.

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zach.:
well, the lawsuit is arguing that he was made a scapegoat and didn't personally do any of the reporting, merely relaying it to the public. in essence, he is complaining that they killed the messenger. don't get me wrong, it's still idiotic and he still shouldn't sue, but it's not about claiming the memos were real.
9.20.2007 3:38pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):

...those gray aliens on X-Files...

But not the X-Files themselves. The FBI does not now, or at any time in the past, have a series of open cases relating to events beyond scientific explanation. To suggest otherwise is... unwise.
9.20.2007 4:08pm
Tom Hawkson:
zach,

Check the Washington Post.
Gold, Rather's lawyer, maintained that "nobody's proved the documents were forgeries. The way we look at it, it's more than likely the documents are authentic."
More at BeldarBlog, including a link to the complaint.

Yours,
Wince
9.20.2007 4:39pm
zach.:
Wince,

That may be their belief, but that doesn't seem to be the basis for the lawsuit.
9.20.2007 5:10pm
Ender:
What was the quote by Kurt Russell as Wyatt Earp from "Tombstone"

When being confronted about his past...

Marshal: “Never saw a rich man that didn't wind up with a guilty conscience.”
Wyatt: “I already got a guilty conscience. Might as well have the money too.”


Dan Rather may be a "Has-Been media shill" but he "...Might as well have the money too."
9.20.2007 5:10pm
Hank Barnes (mail) (www):
Gotta love it -- Rather v. CBS! Reminds me of the Iraq-Iran War of the early 80's, when it was win-win for the rest of humanity:)

HankB
9.20.2007 5:26pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
zach.,


well, the lawsuit is arguing that he was made a scapegoat and didn't personally do any of the reporting, merely relaying it to the public.


If this were some no-name Ted Baxter reading the news, I would accept that argument. In fact, if Mr. Rather himself had simply stayed above the fray and never commented, I would accept that argument. But he vehemently defended the news gathering, the fact checking, and the reporting from one end to the other. (From his court filing, he apparently still does so today.) In my opinion, that gives him a large measure of responsibility for the story. He moved from being a mere news reader and into the role of editor/producer/spokesperson.
9.20.2007 6:30pm
Ronald Coleman (mail) (www):
Rather was also "Editor in Chief" of the CBS Evening News.

I blogged the story, too, by the way, here. Just sayin'.
9.20.2007 6:33pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Ron, if Mr. Rather had remained neutral, I might've accepted his scapegoat argument, even given the "Editor in Chief" title. You never know when a star with a title like that is really doing the work, or merely getting the title as a perk. (I was once a "vice-president" of a company that couldn't afford to give me a raise, but all I really was was a programmer.)

But when he went on the offensive to support the story, he clearly crossed the line and became an active participant. He put his reputation on the line then, not CBS.
9.20.2007 6:47pm
Tom Hawkson:
zach,

I believe I understand that you are staying that authenticity of the documents is not the point of the lawsuit, but nevertheless they appear to believe and to maintain in their legal pleadings that the reputed TANG documents were authentic, and it comes up as the third point made in that complaint.

Check the complaint.

On page 2, point 3:

The Broadcast incorporated documents written by Mr. Bush's commanding officer, Lt. Colonel Jerry B. Killian ("Documents"), corroborating important aspects of the story.

Continue from there.

Yours,
Wince
9.20.2007 7:04pm
Stace:
Mary Mapes is blogging over at HuffPo giving Dan the attaboy. She hopes something important about Bush will finally be revealed in discovery.

They tried to make something of this story since 1994. And now they're back again. Is this some kind of terminal masochism, Chronic BDS, or what?
9.20.2007 8:00pm
zach.:
Martin,

absolutely. Rather hasn't a leg to stand on.

Wince,

It's quite clear from the complaint that point 3 is simply part of several points outlining the timing of events leading up to Rather's dismissal. As I said, I don't question that Rather and his lawyers fully believe the TANG documents to be "fake but accurate," but that belief is not central to the complaint.
9.20.2007 8:22pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):

It's hard to imagine anyone at the Weekly Standard or even NewsMax going this crazy.


Ummm, Dave, have you read NewsMax lately? They're way over the edge, in my experience.
9.20.2007 8:32pm
Mike (mail):
As one who has typed papers on a carriage return typewriter, I can conclusively say that Ms.Mapes is full of it if a TimesNewRoman font is anything like the courier font on a manual or electric typewriter from the early 1970's, especially if we are talking what was available in a government office then. I will bet $5 that their typewriters were still WWII stock at that time, cloth ribbons and all.

(You had to actively work to kill those old steel Royals and Smith-Coronas!)
9.20.2007 9:35pm
TallDave (mail) (www):
OK, true. NewsMax is pretty loony.
9.20.2007 9:37pm
Dean Esmay:
It's as I've often said (although I didn't say it first, I don't know who did), the "reality based community" is to reality what "a cheese based product" is to cheese. Sort of like Cheetos. It may look and smell sorta like cheese in some ways, and may have some actual cheese in it from time to time, but...

It still burns me that they get to lable themselves the "netroots," as if they're the only ones doing grass roots activism on the 'net, or like they were the first.
9.20.2007 10:41pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
With Ms. Mapes' contribution--and the drooling adulation from the resident imbeciles that it provoked--the moonbat colony that is the Huffingtards has reached its apotheosis of idiocy. Many congratulations, and here's hoping all of the little tinfoil junkies out there dig deep into the sofa cushions in their parents' basement to pay Piltdown Dan's "frivolous lawsuit" fees quite soon.
9.20.2007 11:27pm
Mark @ Urthshu (mail) (www):

It still burns me that they get to lable themselves the "netroots," as if they're the only ones doing grass roots activism on the 'net, or like they were the first.
I wouldn't worry about it, Dean. The opposition has always been the collective mutterings of everybody other than the ones in their fevered imaginings of populist claptrap. I think a label would be counterproductive, honestly - look at the scorn heaped on any recognisable bloc of non-Lib/Dems. Better to hover below the fray sometimes.
9.21.2007 12:55am
pennywit (mail) (www):
This whole situation demonstrates an astounding lack of judgment on Rather's part:

1) The initial story, about President Bush's military service in the Texas Air National Guard, was tangential, at best, to the election and of questionable news value. Yet Rather ran the story.

2) Bringing accusations of malfeasance against a sitting president is a Serious Matter. Before you run with that kind of story, you have to make sure your sources are airtight, or nearly so. The story was based in part on documents of questionable provenance, of somewhat dubious authenticity, and written by somebody who was dead. Yet Rather ran the story.

3) It would have been at least somewhat understandable if the story's writers had held fast in the accusations brought by conservative bloggers. After all, many of those individuals had axes to grind with the media in general and with Rather in particular. But when those same bloggers started speaking to typographical experts about the documents and Rather's competitors -- including, for example, the Washington Post, people who had no axes to grind with the media in general or Rather in particular -- cast serious doubt on the story, its authors should have re-examined it. Yet Rather persisted in defending the story.

3) Two years later, after the entire affair has more or less died down, Rather has an opportunity to rebuild at least something of his tattered reputation. He could, for example, dedicate himself to high-minded journalism. He could produce in-depth documentaries. He could rebuild himself into a respected commentator or something after the public's memory of the scandal fades ... but, instead, he's brought this lawsuit.

Overall ... a rather appalling lack of judgment.

--|PW|--
9.21.2007 11:45am

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