Not really sure. They certainly don't respond to criticism [other than to dismiss it] even when they're telling obvious whoppers. Worse, I'm starting to see a few male advocates who distort for their own purposes. One guy I'd recently heard, a mental health director who 'educates' males on DV, flatly asserted that the biggest root source of DV was abuse of boys - and that the most common kind of abuse was sexual predation by older men.
That wasn't the only bald-faced lie, but come on! Who the Hell paid this guy?
I've said it many times: bureaucracies are inherently self-sustaining. The establishment running the bureaucracy will do (and even believe) practically anything to maintain the status quo at minimum, and to increase their own power if possible.
This is true in every field--government, corporate, doesn't matter. That it's often a noble endeavor, or starts as one, does not change that one whit. That there are many true believers at the lower echelons who do not profit much is also nothing new at all.
This is far from the first study of its kind, but the fact that it's from the CDC may be useful in getting people to wake up a little more, and to get legislatures and courts a little more motivated to do something.
But I dunno. Is it possible to overcome people's prejudices on this? I often seriously wonder.
I've been meaning to ask, why do you spend so much time writing about domestic violence? I see so little people in general writing about how men get the short end of the stick and I'm wondering why you decided to pick up this particular baton?
I was looking around the web, and found this treasure trove of data.
Excerpt:
In California, male victims are excluded by definition. Section 124250 of the state’s Health and Safety Code defines domestic violence as follows:
The infliction or threat of physical harm against past or present adult or adolescent female intimate partners, and shall include physical, sexual and psychological abuse against the woman, and is part of a pattern of assaultive, coercive, and controlling behaviors, directed at achieving compliance from or control over, that woman. [emphasis added]
How does this stuff constitutional? Doesn't it violate equal protection?
Equality only comes when it makes women equal to men, otherwise men are inferior.
The 1994 law states that men and women will not be protected equally under the law, and as of yet, no man has been able to take it to the supreme court to challenge the constitutionality of the law.
I first got interested in this issue while doing research for a novel in late 1999. By then I already had 10 years' experience working with small private charities in my area. I'd known about abusive women since 1st or 2nd grade, when one of my classmates' mothers went off on her dad one day, and there were other women I knew since. So I was really shocked to find that shelters of the day pretended those women didn't exist.
As one thing leads to another online, I eventually encountered some other crusaders and joined in. I'm an old leftover hippie who believes in equality, and I can't just let this one slide.
Dishman:
IMHO, most programs are operating illegally. If they were held to the same standards other programs must follow, they'd be shut down immediately if not sooner.
But as "everybody knows," men are pigs, and women are idiots who must be protected by laws for their own good. So TPTB look the other way and allow these quite real violations of human rights to occur. They tell themselves their intentions are good, and that's the end of it.
I haven't wrestled the recent boyfriend yet, but I did learn that yelling and arguing really loudly and scarily like I do (thanks, dad!) scares him enough to win any argument.:)
They can just consider it payback for binding our feet, shoving our chunklet asses into corsets, leaving chick babies on mountaintops, droolin over size o asses and generally making us miserable for centuries.
8.30.2007 5:14pm
Commenting on Dean's World is a privilege, not a right. Dean is your host, you are his guest, and you should behave in that fashion. Dean is not your babysitter, nor is he your punching bag. Please remember this. In general, you are free to disagree with anyone on any subject you wish, but abusive behavior will not be tolerated.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.
That wasn't the only bald-faced lie, but come on! Who the Hell paid this guy?
The bad thing is we no longer seem to be able to say anything about thet.
This is true in every field--government, corporate, doesn't matter. That it's often a noble endeavor, or starts as one, does not change that one whit. That there are many true believers at the lower echelons who do not profit much is also nothing new at all.
This is far from the first study of its kind, but the fact that it's from the CDC may be useful in getting people to wake up a little more, and to get legislatures and courts a little more motivated to do something.
But I dunno. Is it possible to overcome people's prejudices on this? I often seriously wonder.
I've been meaning to ask, why do you spend so much time writing about domestic violence? I see so little people in general writing about how men get the short end of the stick and I'm wondering why you decided to pick up this particular baton?
Excerpt:
In California, male victims are excluded by definition. Section 124250 of the state’s Health and Safety Code defines domestic violence as follows:
The infliction or threat of physical harm against past or present adult or adolescent female intimate partners, and shall include physical, sexual and psychological abuse against the woman, and is part of a pattern of assaultive, coercive, and controlling behaviors, directed at achieving compliance from or control over, that woman. [emphasis added]
How does this stuff constitutional? Doesn't it violate equal protection?
Some genders are more equal than others.
The 1994 law states that men and women will not be protected equally under the law, and as of yet, no man has been able to take it to the supreme court to challenge the constitutionality of the law.
both genders are equally protected from violence against women ;p.
I first got interested in this issue while doing research for a novel in late 1999. By then I already had 10 years' experience working with small private charities in my area. I'd known about abusive women since 1st or 2nd grade, when one of my classmates' mothers went off on her dad one day, and there were other women I knew since. So I was really shocked to find that shelters of the day pretended those women didn't exist.
As one thing leads to another online, I eventually encountered some other crusaders and joined in. I'm an old leftover hippie who believes in equality, and I can't just let this one slide.
Dishman:
IMHO, most programs are operating illegally. If they were held to the same standards other programs must follow, they'd be shut down immediately if not sooner.
But as "everybody knows," men are pigs, and women are idiots who must be protected by laws for their own good. So TPTB look the other way and allow these quite real violations of human rights to occur. They tell themselves their intentions are good, and that's the end of it.
That was one hell of a display of dysfunctionality. I was honestly shocked.
I haven't wrestled the recent boyfriend yet, but I did learn that yelling and arguing really loudly and scarily like I do (thanks, dad!) scares him enough to win any argument.:)
They can just consider it payback for binding our feet, shoving our chunklet asses into corsets, leaving chick babies on mountaintops, droolin over size o asses and generally making us miserable for centuries.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.