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The Carnival of the Liberated

Welcome to the Carnival of the Liberated, a sampler of some of the best posts of the week from Iraqi and Afghan bloggers. It has been very, very quiet in the Iraqi blogosphere. This week we have misperceptions, a blogiversary, a history of Jordan, and much, much more.

Sanjar makes an interesting case that NATO personnel are involved in trafficking in stolen goods and drugs.

Baghdad Connect paints a somewhat different picture of Iraqi Kurdistan than the one you may have been hearing.

Short version of Roads to Iraq's take on the recently-announced “Unity Accord”: it's a plot to interfere with pan-Arab nationalism.

Speaking of pan-Arab nationalism, Iraqi Konfused Kid has a post about the lousy treatment of Iraqis by Jordanians and emphasizes two points:

a) WE ARE ALL ARAB. and most importantly
b) ARABS BEAT THE S*** OUT OF EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME.

Hammorabi has a lengthy post on the decline of America that includes the following sentence which I'll quote here for your edification and enlightenment:

It is wrong for the USA to consider its war against terrorism as a war against Islam and Muslims. This will certainly hasten its decline and America will never ever win such a war.
It is clear from the context that Hammorabi thinks that the U. S. is, indeed, waging war against Islam and Muslims.

Last of Iraqis catalogues the perceptions of his fellow Iraqis about Westerners.

neurotic iraqi wife reflects on her third blogiversary.

The Shaqawa posts a short history of Jordan.

I generally avoid linking to posts from ex-pats but I think you'll like Treasure of Baghdad's post, a great distillation of the immigrant experience in America.

Dave Schuler posts regularly to his own weblog, The Glittering Eye. The Carnival was originally conceived by Ryan Boots.

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Kevin D (mail) (www):

It is wrong for the USA to consider its war against terrorism as a war against Islam and Muslims. This will certainly hasten its decline and America will never ever win such a war.

When the USA is at war with a group that cites their religion as justification for their actions then I say Islam is at war with the USA.

Islam will never win such a war.
8.28.2007 9:50am
DanielH:
A is a small subset of B.

A is at war with C.

Therefore, all of B is at war with C?
8.28.2007 10:19am
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):
My point in linking to Hammorabi's post and quoting him is that it's quite clear that at least Hammorabi has concluded that the U. S. is at war with Islam and all Muslims. I don't think he's alone. I also don't believe there is anything we can do about that perception.
8.28.2007 11:14am
zach.:
The Last of Iraqis post I found to be the most engaging. It's reassuring on one hand to hear some moderate and reasonable opinions about westerners and americans being voiced by Iraqis in the thick of things. Especially the mention of the helpfulness and genuine caring of the western civilians in Iraq. But on the other it points to the general perception that westerners "just don't get it." the cultural divides are simply too deep, or westerners (and iraqis) are simply not interested in bridging the divide. From reading the post it seems to me that maybe the best way to proceed is to forget the government, leave the militias to the american military, and focus on providing the iraqis with big brains and big ideas funding and resources to re-establish an iraqi economy, provide some rallying points for iraqi nationalism, and additionally to combat the probably general iraqi perception that westerners are either afraid or look down on them.
8.28.2007 11:45am
DanielH:
"The Shaqawa" certainly has a negative view of Jordan and its Hashemite leaders. While most Arabs and Muslims I know would agree with his perception of Abdullah (Jordan's first king) as a traitor for secretly conspiring with Israeli leaders to divide Mandate Palestine between them, I believe that feelings toward the current king and queen are much more mixed. Indeed, I know that many believe that they are sincerely devoted to modernizing their country, both economically and politically.
8.28.2007 11:56am
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):

When the USA is at war with a group that cites their religion as justification for their actions then I say Islam is at war with the USA.


And I say you're a buffoon. That "group that cites their religion as justification for their actions" is by no means all of Islam.
8.28.2007 12:23pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):
And I give two shits about what you say.

Millions of Muslims worldwide support jihad. You want to turn a blind eye to that? Go right ahead. They prefer it that way.

I harbor no ill will to Muslims that wish me, or others, no harm.

It's the millions of others I worry about.

If you were smart, which I doubt, you would too.
8.28.2007 12:55pm
DanielH:

Millions of Muslims worldwide support jihad.

That alone is not much of an indictment. Jihad merely means, in the context of war, fighting deemed legitimate by Islamic principles. It would require analyzing the specific principles underlying these millions of Muslims' definitions of jihad. I bet you would be suprised to find out the number of Muslims who, like the deceased rector of al-Azhar in Egypt (a top Sunni juridical position), Mahmud Shaltut, believe that the only jihad legitimated by the Qur'an and Sunna is defense against aggression, a principle consistent with international secular and Christian conceptions of jus ad bellum. For a similar definition from an American Muslim jurist, see here. Accordingly, there are many Muslims who believe the US' war in Afghanistan is legitimate according to the principles of jihad.
8.28.2007 1:05pm
Dan the Highway guy (mail) (www):
We know you don't care what other people think, Kevin. And honestly, we know pretty much exactly what you're going to say when the topic comes up.

And Martin has your measure, here.
8.28.2007 1:13pm
Dave Justus (mail) (www):
"It is wrong for the USA to consider its war against terrorism as a war against Islam and Muslims. This will certainly hasten its decline and America will never ever win such a war."

I don't have a problem with this statement. I believe it pretty strongly, and I also don't believe we are engaged in a war against Islam and Muslims. If such was our goal, there would be a whole lot more dead Muslims.

It does though however raise a question to me of whether it is wrong to engage in behavior that Hammorabi, or other Muslims, regard as a war against Islam. Obviously taking their views into account is important, but it seems to me that it can't be determinative.
8.28.2007 1:19pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):

I harbor no ill will to Muslims that wish me, or others, no harm.


Bullshit. You just admitted that you see Islam -- not individual Muslims, but Islam -- as being at war with the USA:


When the USA is at war with a group that cites their religion as justification for their actions then I say Islam is at war with the USA.


If you don't want to be seen as a bigotted moron who draws no distinctions between the peaceful Muslims and the terrorists, then don't make bigotted, moronic, sweeping statements that draw no distinctions between the peaceful Muslims and the terrorists.
8.28.2007 1:47pm
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):

"The Shaqawa" certainly has a negative view of Jordan and its Hashemite leaders.

He's a very, very partisan Shi'ite. Perhaps that has something to do with it. I linked to the post more because I thought it was informative about a point of view than as a factual primer on Jordan.
8.28.2007 2:08pm
DanielH:
Dave -- understood. I just wanted to add that it was by no means the only, nor necessarily even the most common, perception of Jordan among Arabs and Muslims. As an example, my mother-in-law, a Palestinian who settled in America and has a number of relatives living in Amman, has overall a rather favorable opinion of the current Jordanian regime.
8.28.2007 2:41pm
TallDave (mail) (www):
Did you guys see the Brit Hume piece on that Iraqi Sama tribal sheik? He said the thugs are not real Muslims, and begged us not to take their statements as representative of Islam.

I think the sheik speaks for the majority view in Islam.
8.29.2007 10:52am
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