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Linda Frazier (mail):
Had a bad day here, my best friend was struck by a hit and run driver on June 17th. Both legs broken, hip fracture, numerous injuries. Today she died. She was just 50, and the kindest, most gentle person I've ever known. She loved me despite my faults, loved my children because they're mine...a once-in-a-lifetime friend, and I am so enriched by having known her.

She also was a full blown alcoholic and would be alive right now if her life had taken a different turn.

It's a sad day, and I'm working on feelings of anger mixed with all the other stuff.

My brother, also an alcoholic, was killed on December 23rd, 2004. He was struck by a pickup truck while walking on the side of the road. His BAC was .12 at the time.

I hate what we do to ourselves. An alcoholic cuts himself, but his loved ones bleed.

Linda
6.30.2007 8:40pm
rammer (mail) (www):
Just back from Walmart. Saw a fair number of hot women wearing camo spandex shirts. If soldiers are fashionable, then soldiering is still sexy, and all is well with the Republic.
6.30.2007 8:41pm
Samuel Tai (mail):
Linda,

my condolences.
6.30.2007 8:49pm
MaryJ:
Linda,

I am really sorry to hear your news. My brother is also an alcoholic. I just got back from Virginia where he lives. I tried talking to him and got in all kinds of trouble. He really got me bad. His temper flew and he told me to mind my own business. We had just come back from the VA to get disability on the second knee. He looks bad. My heart went out to him and I knew it was his alcohol talking. I went to him and gave him a hug after he got mad. I realized I had to just be quiet and love him.

I feel alcholism is a disease because far to many good and decent people die from it.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother and your friend. Having that kind of friend is wonderful and I am sorry she left us.

On a brighter note I went to see, Evan Almighty and laughed my buttocks off. The critics are being harsh on this one and that gets me upset. It's a good family movie. Some parts were a bit silly but those are the very parts that had me laughing ;-)

Yesterday I went to see, Die Free or Die Hard. I go to the matinee and get in cheaper. So the last two days I spent $12.00 on myself and had such a good time. The movie was great IMHO. The theatre was full in the afternoon yesterday so I guess it will pull in a lot of money. Bruce Willis did a good job. Gosh, he is one Hollywood man I like. He wanted to go to Iraq but was told he was too old. He has also gone to Iraq to give a boost to our troops.

I still support the war and completely understand why we are there. I wish people would quit saying Anti-American stuff.

Well that is what I feel and I just wanted to tell somebody ;-) Yes, I live alone with two cats. By the way, one talks to me a lot. His name is, Mr. Pips ;-)
6.30.2007 9:10pm
Ali Eteraz (mail) (www):

Yesterday I went to see, Die Free or Die Hard. I go to the matinee and get in cheaper.


LOL.

I think you mean Live Free or Die Hard.

I am going grocery.
6.30.2007 9:17pm
MaryJ:
Thanks Ali!

HAHAHAHAHA! Yep, I mean Live Free or Die Hard. But I would like to die free ;-) HAHAHAHA, I'm in a good mood.
6.30.2007 9:23pm
pennywit (mail) (www):
I offer two related links. One golden oldie, and one I just saw today.

--|PW|--
6.30.2007 9:32pm
jlb (www):
Whew! My 1700th post. If I'd have realized it before I clicked the save button, I'd have done something special...
Jan
6.30.2007 10:16pm
Sandi (www):
Linda my condolences. I'm saddened about your losses.
6.30.2007 10:29pm
Sandi (www):
I see at Bill Roggio's that Iran is still going at it in Iraq with secret cells.
6.30.2007 10:33pm
Jack G (mail) (www):

An alcoholic cuts himself, but his loved ones bleed.



That's a good line and a true observation.
If only the alcoholic indulged far more in wisdom, and far less in liquor.

Nevertheless it's not your fault what the other person does. Each one makes their own way through life, and eventually out of it.

I'm sorry abut your friend and your brother.
Best thing you can do I guess is pray for their souls.

But don't blame yourself for what you couldn't have controlled.
6.30.2007 11:21pm
Jack G (mail) (www):

Had a bad day here, my best friend was struck by a hit and run driver on June 17th



By the way, I hope they caught that bastard. And if they didn't, I hope they do.
6.30.2007 11:23pm
Jack G (mail) (www):

By the way, one talks to me a lot.



Even I could like a talking cat.
6.30.2007 11:25pm
MaryJ:
Jack G,

What you said to Linda helped me. I have been in the dumps since I saw my brother. He drinks every night. He looks bad because of the problem. I tried talking to him in a loving way and got in trouble.

You are so right. Loved ones bleed is a good observation.

Yes, Mr. Pips the cat talks (in his own language)but we get along real well, Yep, Me and Mr. Pips ;-)
6.30.2007 11:34pm
MaryJ:
The Wikipedia is sure a good source for information. I've been reading about Fred Thompson. Pretty interesting man.
6.30.2007 11:43pm
triticale (mail) (www):
Regarding last night's discussion, I happened to collect a book today I'd ordered from the library which reports that dog genomics suggest five distinct wolf domestications.
6.30.2007 11:58pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (mail) (www):
Linda and MJ,

I wish I could bottle what Sandy has and send some to you. My lovely wife is the most giving person I know. She gives and gives even when I know it hurts her because she's missing things for herself; but when she loves someone, that's more important to her. So I try to understand.

But what she has is a way of knowing when giving just isn't helping any more. When that person is just going to self-destruct no matter what she does, then she just lets go, and the door is shut. She doesn't love the person any less; but she recognizes that the person doesn't love himself or herself enough to do what must be done.

When her brother was drinking and drugging himself to death, the rest of the family sat in the hospital and fretted about what more could be done. They were still fretting as they buried him at age 33, dead from metabolic failure due to the drugs. But she didn't fret. She did what she could, saw it wouldn't be enough, and saved the rest of her care for the family.

It's not callousness that she has. It's just a recognition that there are people she can help, and people she can't. She saves her efforts for those she can.

You're both good ladies (and I'm glad to see you back, MJ -- you've been pretty quiet), and I don't think it's fair to be too hard on yourselves. Somewhere there are friends and family and cats who need you and appreciate you. Spend some time with them.
7.1.2007 2:17pm
Linda Frazier (mail):
Hey, thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I think it's wonderful that the world is still far enough on the side of good that strangers can offer kind words to other strangers - and the receiver is comforted. What a nice bunch of people you all are. Thank you.

I leave for the wake shortly and am unable yet to give this whole thing it's proper slot in my mind. You know, the slot where you put things so that the pain or disturbing nature of it can be shelved when necessary and taken down for examination at will. Right now it's just floating around in my head, popping up at all the most inappropriate moments. Renting boats this morning was a study in concentration for me - I did poorly and left work early.

I'll be happy when it's all over, but I feel small in saying that. I'm still alive, after all, and have little to be complaining about in comparison.

Linda
7.1.2007 3:26pm
Jack G (mail) (www):

What you said to Linda helped me.



Thank you.



Glad to help if I did.



I happened to collect a book today I'd ordered from the library which reports that dog genomics suggest five distinct wolf domestications.



That's very interesting to me. I've always thought that there was something God fixed about both human and canine genes that just more or less make them natural allies and friends in this world.

I have no idea whay that should be, but it's always seemed true to me.

That men and dogs were just for the most part meant to be allied, and that at least part of this was genetic, and how we mesh genetically.

It's a unique, natural, and comfortable relationship for both parties.
7.1.2007 4:18pm
MaryJ:
Thank you Martin, thank you. Your words of wisdom will go with me today. My sister is closer to the situation there in Virginia and she hurts so much along with his children. He arose in his field to the dream in his heart and things went downhill and he did stop loving and believing in himself. Sandy is right. I am in the throws of it now since being in Virginia and all I can do is e-mail him and talk to him on the phone with unconditional love and leave the desire of my heart out which is for him to stop poisoning himself. He is a great brother and has always been there for me.

I will come back and read this throughout the day as it lightens my heart.

Jack G,
Yes, yes, you helped me. I will read your words of wisdom as well.


"That's very interesting to me. I've always thought that there was something God fixed about both human and canine genes that just more or less make them natural allies and friends in this world."

Oh how I believe that. I think you are right.


That men and dogs were just for the most part meant to be allied, and that at least part of this was genetic, and how we mesh genetically.

"It's a unique, natural, and comfortable relationship for both parties."


Amen Jack ;-)
7.1.2007 4:32pm
MaryJ:
Linda,

My prayers are with you today. I pictured you getting ready and I felt bad for you.

Yes, it is so nice to come here and find such good people.
7.1.2007 4:50pm
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