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Addendum

Everything Dave Price mentions below about massive screwups during World War II is quite historically true. One incident I usually find worth adding to that is the case of Operation Tiger: a joint Army/Navy training exercise wherein 749 men died in one day.

749 dead in a training exercise.

Every war--every one of significant size anyway--has its share of SNAFUs (hey, remember who invented that acronym???) and embarrassments and frustrations and nasty surprises.

This is why I often say that concentrating on failures to the point of obsession is terribly counterproductive. Acknowledging mistakes and asking what's being done to correct them (including making suggestions) is totally relevant. Endlessly harping on the negative is defeatist and selfish and irresponsible in my view.

My view does get me in trouble a lot, granted, but...

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Arnold Harris (mail):
Probably one of the US Quartermaster Corps survivors on the doomed LSTs thought up SNAFU.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
4.30.2007 5:09pm
John_B (mail) (www):
but... truth has a way of stinging.

Here's a truism: If it involves living humans, it is prone to error.

There is always going to be somebody asleep on the job, somebody focused on his own interests over that of the group or the mission, somebody who just wasn't as smart as s/he thought s/he was. Maybe just somebody who couldn't RTFM.

Normal people don't expect perfection from normal people. And until we start breeding perfection into the bloodstream, we're stuck with normal people.
4.30.2007 5:43pm
Ender:
My concern is that, like Vietnam, we could end up winning all the battles and losing the war. I THOUGHT that was the lesson of Vietnam? It sickens me that ALL the same arguments are being made on both sides, ALL the same players on both sides, and the ONLY difference is that the common serviceman is not being spit on (yet), and SOMEHOW this makes all the counterproductive things said and done OK, because HEAH, we're not spitting on Joe Marine....
4.30.2007 7:30pm
K :
From the brief description given I wouldn't say this had to be a SNAFU. It looks like the Germans were alert and did their job.

Suffering losses does not always prove error.

It may be destroyers were not present to shield the practice landings. That certainly would have been a blunder; no set of defenseless landing craft should have been training w/o protection.
4.30.2007 10:40pm
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