Dean's World

Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy.

Response to Armed Liberal

In other news, a far more rational writer, Armed Liberal, a.k.a. Marc Danziger, has some thoughts.

I'd like to ask Marc to update his link to point to this. And I'd say that some of the comments left by others to his article illustrate just how deep a problem Islamophobia has become in certain segments of the right and/or hawkish community.

So here's what I'll state again:

I believe Islamophobia is real. I think Marc Danziger would agree that it is. Am I right, Marc? And if so, how do you identify it, and what do you do about it? I know what I do: I'm rude about it when I see it.

That's my choice. You can choose other approaches. But a few years ago I started arguing with Islamophobes with cool reason and logic and references. Their response was to get nastier and snottier and meaner. I was challenged to find some Muslims who might come to Dean's World to show that they were rational, decent, modern human beings, and I thought that was a simply terrific idea, so I found a couple of terrific writers who had lots to say--not just about Islam, but lots of things that they might want to write about besides that--and they often got treated like utter garbage and as if they could fix the problem of terrorism all by themselves. I started semi-regularly finding good news stories, about progress and hope and reform, about Muslims making a difference, only to see that crapped upon regularly, usually as "taqiyyah" or some other such rubbish.

I even posted inspiring stories of Muslims serving in our armed forces, with valor, only to have that dismissed and ignored as utterly irrelevant to anything.

At some point I stopped being nice about this. And I will not start being nice about it again.

Because the fact is that American forces are fighting side-by-side with Muslims to defeat terrorism--all over the world. There are Muslim nations asking for help to stamp out terrorism. There are Muslim organizations worldwide trying to fight the cause. Treating all of this with contempt is utter insanity.

Not to mention that it's just plain bad behavior.

I cannot make anyone think anything. I can, however, set editorial policies for this web site. Which is, as anyone who really reads it knows, pretty much as hawkish on terrorism as you can get without advocating nuclear annihilation.

But: this is an Islamophobe-free zone.

That does not mean there can be no criticism, by the way. That's just another straw man. It means that if you cannot agree in principal to all five editorial principles I laid out right here, you don't belong here and will not be welcomed or treated politely.

That doesn't mean we can't be friends. But this is what I insist upon on this blog.

And that's really all there is to it.

I'm curious to know if Marc and the fine folks at Winds of Change find all that reasonable. Because I don't find it unreasonable at all.

Related Posts (on one page):

  1. Response to Armed Liberal
  2. Welcome LGF Readers!
Posted by Dean | Permalink | Technorati Trackbacks
matoko-chan (mail) (www):
Armed refused to post the translation of the whole Wafa debate. As far I'm concerned, he's just another enemy of truth and free speech, AND another moron-from-stupidtown, like kev and spencer.
he should post at jihaadwatch, since hes isomorphic with them.
that is the major reason i dont comment at Winds any more......sadly, Joe was once my blogfather.

Im an orphan now i guess. ;)
3.3.2007 1:55pm
Dean Esmay:
Oh, come on. Is it possible he just didn't get the mail? Marc's a good guy.
3.3.2007 2:17pm
Tom Hawkson:
As far I'm concerned, he's just another enemy of truth and free speech, AND another moron-from-stupidtown, like kev and spencer.

Well, I don't think he is any of those things, nor are 'kev and spencer'.

A certain major prophet of Islam said (Matthew 5:22, NASB):
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
But all three may be enemies of yours. Here's that major prophet again (Matthew 5:44, NASB):
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Me, I think it is a good idea to pray for 'kev and spencer' (and you and Dean and Ali, etc.) in any case.

Yours, in prayer,
Wince, the guilty
3.3.2007 2:20pm
maryatexitzero (mail) (www):
Marc is a good guy, as are Kevin and Spencer.
3.3.2007 3:17pm
matoko-chan (mail) (www):

Marc is a good guy, as are Kevin and Spencer.

to u perhaps.
He stabbed me in the back.
Armed asked for the post and then wouldnt put it up. He didnt agree with what Dr. Al-khouli said.

kevin and spencer are not "good guys". they are illinformed fanatics.
3.3.2007 5:06pm
matoko-chan (mail) (www):
i know how to solve the whole imbroglio!!!!
Lets Send Rbert Spencer to Islam School
3.3.2007 5:18pm
Dean Esmay:
The Islam School article is funny, but it has a broken link, the one under "constantly dissed." Got an update for it?

Otherwise it's very on the money.

I loved the commenter who suggested that Robert's having "problems he was having with Dean Esmay and his supporters." What a joke. He linked me first, he approached me first, and I have always assiduously avoided linking him, suggesting people visit him, or anything else.

I just struck a nerve with him that he's never gotten over--that his schtick is harmful in the extreme and a betrayal of our fighting men and women.
3.3.2007 5:29pm
matoko-chan (mail) (www):
the link used to go a post where spencer whined about legitimate, famous islamic scholars refusing to debate him.
he has obviously deleted it.
dishonest in argument, see?
3.4.2007 2:05pm
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
I don't believe Islamophobia (ie an irrational fear of...). I think people's fears of Islam and adherent aremostly reasonable and rational. That is a clear difference between islamophobia and those who hate all Muslims.
3.4.2007 2:59pm
Account:
Password:
Remember info?
Commenting on Dean's World is a privilege, not a right. Dean is your host, you are his guest, and you should behave in that fashion. Dean is not your babysitter, nor is he your punching bag. Please remember this. In general, you are free to disagree with anyone on any subject you wish, but abusive behavior will not be tolerated.

Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.

Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.