A somewhat better episode than the last few. Although I'm getting really tired of the endless angst of everyone and everything on the show. More action and maybe a little more positive developments would help.
Interesting that they're starting to hint at romantic involvment between Roslin and Adama.
I'm looking forward to seeing the mutiny next week. Political intrigue with Baltar at the center? Wow. Well why not?
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the next episode. I'm wondering if Batlar is sowing the seeds for his martyrdom? I mean, Baltar is a smart man and he knows that this trial is stacked against him. Losing means death. So, he makes it harder for them to kill him. He makes himself out for martyrdom before the trial even begins. That way, hopefully, the powers-that-be might not be so quick with a verdict of death. They don't want a martyr on their hands.
Spurring the working class on with socialist rhetoric is a great way to go. Tyrol was doing the same on New Caprica.
But, on Galactica, Tyrol is at a disadvantage. He's a military non-com. He's not a civilian. He can't say, "I don't want to do my job anymore under these conditions." It's simply not an option for him. Well, it is... if he wants to get on a first name basis with a bullet.
Yeah, like Tigh said, the ship will need at least six weeks in dry dock just to bang all the dents out. The most the crew can do now is patch things and those patches will fail. The Galactica simply can't take much more.
She needs time to repair and rearm. I dunno, maybe they find an abandoned facility left behind by the 13th tribe that they're able to catch their breath at for a moment and then continue on? I think that would be okay. Something the fans may not think is too deus ex machina.
It would be interesting to see what people in the fleet think, who aren't convinced there is a 13th Tribe.
To their eyes, they're just drifting through space endlessly until either their provisions run out or there are just too few people to keep things running.
Labor unrest is nothing. Actual despair, that'll kill 'em deader than any Cylon attack.
I'm okay with a few stand-alone episodes if it means the series gets a chance to catch its breath. Just as the Galactica needs some maintenance, so do the characters. What I mean is that we need to know a little more backstory and have a little more groundwork laid for future episodes. As several people have said it was a solid but not spectacular episode.
I hope they don't actually bring in aliens. The thing that's so appealing is that they're alone with their only hope resting in making it to the "finish line" of Earth. Will they make it? What will Earth be like, and will it be able to defend itself?
I think it's too soon for them to find a 13th-tribe facility (although perhaps they might find a ship that needs to be salvaged), and I already said that I don't like aliens. How about this: there are three Cylons in the Colonial Fleet at the moment. What if they used a Cylon facility?
I hope they don't actually bring in aliens. The thing that's so appealing is that they're alone with their only hope resting in making it to the "finish line" of Earth. Will they make it? What will Earth be like, and will it be able to defend itself?
By aliens I don't mean little green men. I mean whatever aliens are responsible for the Cylons deciding to take human form, who may juts indeed be human aliens (that is, humans who are not associated with the human colonists).
I find it extremely hard to believe that cylons themselves decided to run an experiment to copy biological systems (which is exactly what the android/cyborg cylons did) so closely that they cannot only appear human but have hopes of, and have apparently succeeded in, reproducing with humans. Which of course means that the Cylon species is a variant of the human species.
Cylons supposedly hate humans enough to desire to liquidate the whole species (a bogus motive and never what the cylons intended, had they so intended such a thing they could have long ago achieved it, some cylons may want this but many models do not and I suspect the remaining five have no interest in that whatsoever) and yet decide the best way to do this is reproduce thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of human species copies of a select few models of human?
It doesn't wash. Their motivations are not as they seem, I've always suspected at least part of their motivations (and I suspect there are several competing motivations) were to force an attempt to find earth so they could follow in their wake.
These human cy-lon-andro-borgs have been looking for a way to Earth from the very beginning. They could have easily made the type of technological suppression attack against the colonists by producing a very few android copies of humans to infiltrate both civilian and military agencies. There was absolutely no need to remake themselves, and a large portion of their "race" in the Image of Man unless they had far greater motivations.
Therefore I suspect someone or something interfered with their development, interjecting a biological systems component and genetic material into their make-up. A strictly alien species would have no need or interest to do this unless they too had some underlying motivation, but human aliens who are either descendents of the Colonists or the 13th Tribe, or competitors (who want to find Earth for their own reasons would.)
And of course it is quite possible that either the gods, or their descendents are the aliens which have as yet remained undisclosed.
The parallels between the gods and the cylon Models (the blonde could be Aphrodyte, another Athena, another Hermes - judging by their behavior and the stories around them thus far- remember some Greek gods thought man little more than a nuisance to be eradicated if necessary, and some favored men, especially particular men and women, even going so far as to patronize and love them) and the code-combat names of the various human crew are far too obvious for there to be no relationship of any kind.
The whole show displays the direct, if sometimes oblique, relationship between the gods (possibly the aliens I suspect), the humans, and the cylons, and God - who at least to the mind of the Cylon Models provides some motivation for their seemingly paradoxical and competing actions and counteractions. Now either the human colonists or their competitors have some as yet unseen Cult which is monotheistic and so the cyclons picked up God from them (but why adopt God from humans, they hate humans - unless competitor strains of humans also hate the colonists and rebelled against them building the cyclons in the first place?), an alien species implanted that idea (possible), the gods screwed with the cyclons and implanted the idea of God, or the cyclons developed the concept for themselves. The latter is possible of course but not very likely, it's about as likely as the idea that the cyclons decided to one day say, "Hey, how's about we develop human form, commit genocide, then mate with any survivors to see if that's possible? while we're at it let's experiment a bit with the idea of love, of living in harmony with a few humans, and let's see if we can't shake a few loose and hitch a ride to Earth? And I know we'll spend time and resources exploring every aspect of human society and military and technological and biological and psychological capabilities but we'll ignore old technology that we know we can't penetrate, like Galactica, and make no contingency plans to defeat that old bucket or destroy it by other means? Maybe because being machines we just don't have the memory capacity, or patience, to be thorough and get the job done right."
Would Deep Blue fail to understand what a Rook can do just because the Queen is the most powerful and advanced offensive piece on the board and totally ignore the Rook because he's old hat and not that dangerous by comparison?
I don't know about you ladies and gentleman but this level of severe and yet constant coincidental accumulation tends to trip my non-networked bullshit meter. When a load accumulates up to my knees, as we say in the business, it's time to consider the idea that you've wandered into a stable. Had I wanted to I could have developed a much, much better plan to far more fully liquidate the colonists and the Galactica would have been the very last ship to have escaped me. I wouldn't have expected to kill them all, that's a lot of killing and would take a lot of time and resources, and really wouldn't be worth your effort if your real intention was to destroy man, but I could have easily reduced them enough that biological weaponry, radiation poisoning, disease, starvation, spiking water supplies, killing communications and so forth could have set them back several centuries, if not millennia. Then come back fifty years in the future and do it all again. But then again they didn't really want to wipe out all humans. Had they then they would have gone about it much differently.
No, something else is out there with motivations of their own and they have either heavily influenced, or heavily manipulated, or both, the cylons. In any case I strongly suspect alien involvement, depending of course upon how you define that.
But it is also possible that they will run into other aliens as well, after all it is no real stretch in science fiction to assume other life. then again the universe is a big place and just accidentally stumbling upon helpful yet totally unrelated aliens while fleeing is statistically unlikely.
But they've already obviously found planets inhabited by alien life, but plant life. I don't remember seeing alien animals as of yet.
In any case sooner or later they are gonna run across whoever screwed with the cylons to create Cylon-Man, and when they do I won't be surprised at all to find they were alien, even if those aliens are in effect either variant humans or the gods.
Of course the writers could have just been winging it as they go, and maybe they have been, and that's why nothing makes sense in either action or motivation. I hope though they've had this all plotted for awhile even if the plot changes and develops over time.
But if they expect me to believe that the idea of God, that the idea that cyclons want to become biological enough to love and reproduce with humans, that the cyclons are unable to track and destroy one little beta all to hell Battlestar as many times as that ship has been successfully penetrated and infiltrated, and attacked, if they expect me to believe that they escape every pursuit and live through every fight by luck, that the gods and humans and cylons are just coincidentally related, then they haven't done much homework for the thinking man.
If something totally unbelievable doesn't happen in the future then everything that has happened thus far is rendered totally unbelievable. Of course it is only Sci-Fi, and it is only television, but I hope they're shooting for better than just that as their motivation.
When the Cylons left after their initial revolt they found their way to Earth. It was on Earth that they took on human form and gained their monotheism (seeing as most of us are monotheistic). Finding Earth may not be the blessing the colonists hope it is.
Ya know, in the old series, you could count on at least one, maybe two good Cylon attacks per episode. I don't follow the new show much (although I get to see it more often now that it's on Sundays); but I can't remember the last time I saw a Cylon attack. It's OK to have a little variety, but they're starting to veer from the basic concept here: it's not just a hunt for Earth, it's also supposed to be a flight from danger. When Lee was lecturing the pilots about counting the days since the last attack, I kinda felt like Mr. Moore was lecturing the audience: "Oh, yeah? Well, there could be a Cylon attack, any moment! So just pay attention -- as we delve into more soap opera..."
On the other hand, Adama's "reunion" with his ex-wife was incredibly well handled, in my opinion.
We had a Cylon attack just, what, three episodes ago? It wasn't very long at all. But having the fleet getting constantly attacked takes away from the meaningfulness of when they do get attacked. It's just another thing that happens, like breathing. It's simply not the threat it should be.
Having a gun constantly at your head takes away from the danger it should represent. You get used to it. And, after time, you begin to question if the guy holding it would ever pull the trigger.
Given enough time you might that he won't.
I'm glad each episode isn't "Cylon attack of the week." You and others may feel that BSG is getting like a soap but I say simply look at your everyday life. Most people I know have a stupid amount of drama going on because, well, it's just human nature. We surround ourselves in drama. We like it for the most part. Gives us something to bitch about.
I think the "soap" in BSG is closer to real life than many of us would like to admit.
Kevin, I'll take your word that there was a recent attack. Like I said, I don't get to see it all the time. But I haven't seen an attack in the episodes I've caught this year.
But I don't watch TV for real life. My life doesn't have all that many murders in it (like, zero); but if I tune into Law &Order and don't see a murder in the opening scenes, that's a pretty unusual episode. If I watch Angel or Charmed, there's better than even odds I'm going to see some sort of demon attack. If I watch old Rat Patrol reruns, there's gonna be pitched battles with Nazis.
And it's OK to veer from the conflict for character-driven stories now and then. But in the Galactica episodes I've seen this year, it's more like now and then they veer from the character-driven soap opera for a bit of Cylon attack.
Now I'll admit, there has been a lot of Cylon intrigue. But that would fit just as well in a different setting, like on a colony world or something. What's unique about this setting is it's a ragtag fleet on the run. I'd like to see more reminders of why they're running.
When the Cylons left after their initial revolt they found their way to Earth. It was on Earth that they took on human form and gained their monotheism (seeing as most of us are monotheistic). Finding Earth may not be the blessing the colonists hope it is.
A variant of that idea had occurred to me.
One thing I find interesting is that with the Greek gods a revolt by man, or even too much assistance towards man was considered very, very bad and punishable by the gods (Prometheus was "hung-out" and "de-livered" for bringing fire to man).
In a way the Judeo-Christian revolt can be seen as a revolt against the paganistic idea that man can never really be close to God, or the gods. So monotheism is a way of helping to erase that "Unbridgeable Gulf" between man and god, because God is so powerful that he could be Dictator to all, even the gods, but He chooses not to be be, demanding voluntary service instead. God demands voluntary service, which is a dictatorial demand, and yet also demands a free choice of the participant, just like Love does. You submit voluntarily, but once you do your responsibilities and obligations because of that submission make demands upon you for the rest of your life (very similar to military service, and I think that also is part of the show design - Military Service and Religious Service are natural psychological corollaries.)
Yet in this shop, and I'm sure it is that way on purpose, the gods are the "guides and erstwhile saviors" yet most humans have long ago given up on their actually being gods, until recent events. These "gods" are Greek-pagan in name but not in behavior.
And it is the Cylons who revolted against their own gods (Men) because men had created the Cylons to be, in effect, slaves, servants, or attendants, pretty much the same way the Greek gods generally looked upon man.
So it is the Cylons who revolt in this case, against their own Greek gods (man), and it is they who apparently return with the idea of "God" and a very mysterious and seemingly paradoxical agenda. (Pagan polytheism has capricious and emotional gods, but monotheism always has a mysterious and paradoxical Chief God, one who seems to display Himself through both mundane and miraculous events, but not one who says, "let me explain exactly what I mean by this." A pagan god speaks in oracles, a monotheistic God speaks in parables.) So the cylons appear to abandon the gods of their gods and instead appear to take on the mantle of prophets to God. Yet within their own ranks they show a decided lack of consensus on what their actual mission is, and how to get there.
An interesting turn of the Screw. Especially for Science Fiction and a television show. Of course the original show was filled with religious symbolism as well, unusual for a Sci-Fi show at that time, but this show does better in that regard in my opinion. But I've noticed that a lot of Sci-Fi has become filled with religion and spiritual matters in the past couple of decades. In any case with this show it is blatant, and that is interesting too. Because spiritual matters are almost always mysterious and bizarre, and filled with strange twists of meaning, paradox, and double meaning.
Cylon becomes man, gods become God, Man becomes the gods, but are any of them really what they appear to be?
I guess time will tell.
2.20.2007 10:00am
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Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.
Interesting that they're starting to hint at romantic involvment between Roslin and Adama.
I'm looking forward to seeing the mutiny next week. Political intrigue with Baltar at the center? Wow. Well why not?
I wanted to review it this morning, but my damned DVR steadfastly refuses to record it for me.
Spurring the working class on with socialist rhetoric is a great way to go. Tyrol was doing the same on New Caprica.
But, on Galactica, Tyrol is at a disadvantage. He's a military non-com. He's not a civilian. He can't say, "I don't want to do my job anymore under these conditions." It's simply not an option for him. Well, it is... if he wants to get on a first name basis with a bullet.
At least they are starting to address the condition of the ship.
I'd hate to see what happens next time they get in a stand-up fight if fighter cover can't keep an attack off deck.
It won't be pretty.
She's a flying tin can as it is.
What the Fleet needs is an ally, maybe a non-human one, who will at least help with refit and reprovision.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they will be dead in the water.
She needs time to repair and rearm. I dunno, maybe they find an abandoned facility left behind by the 13th tribe that they're able to catch their breath at for a moment and then continue on? I think that would be okay. Something the fans may not think is too deus ex machina.
To their eyes, they're just drifting through space endlessly until either their provisions run out or there are just too few people to keep things running.
Labor unrest is nothing. Actual despair, that'll kill 'em deader than any Cylon attack.
I hope they don't actually bring in aliens. The thing that's so appealing is that they're alone with their only hope resting in making it to the "finish line" of Earth. Will they make it? What will Earth be like, and will it be able to defend itself?
I think it's too soon for them to find a 13th-tribe facility (although perhaps they might find a ship that needs to be salvaged), and I already said that I don't like aliens. How about this: there are three Cylons in the Colonial Fleet at the moment. What if they used a Cylon facility?
Although, I wouldn't mind a Stargate SG-1 crossover. But that's the fanboy in me talking.
By aliens I don't mean little green men. I mean whatever aliens are responsible for the Cylons deciding to take human form, who may juts indeed be human aliens (that is, humans who are not associated with the human colonists).
I find it extremely hard to believe that cylons themselves decided to run an experiment to copy biological systems (which is exactly what the android/cyborg cylons did) so closely that they cannot only appear human but have hopes of, and have apparently succeeded in, reproducing with humans. Which of course means that the Cylon species is a variant of the human species.
Cylons supposedly hate humans enough to desire to liquidate the whole species (a bogus motive and never what the cylons intended, had they so intended such a thing they could have long ago achieved it, some cylons may want this but many models do not and I suspect the remaining five have no interest in that whatsoever) and yet decide the best way to do this is reproduce thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of human species copies of a select few models of human?
It doesn't wash. Their motivations are not as they seem, I've always suspected at least part of their motivations (and I suspect there are several competing motivations) were to force an attempt to find earth so they could follow in their wake.
These human cy-lon-andro-borgs have been looking for a way to Earth from the very beginning. They could have easily made the type of technological suppression attack against the colonists by producing a very few android copies of humans to infiltrate both civilian and military agencies. There was absolutely no need to remake themselves, and a large portion of their "race" in the Image of Man unless they had far greater motivations.
Therefore I suspect someone or something interfered with their development, interjecting a biological systems component and genetic material into their make-up. A strictly alien species would have no need or interest to do this unless they too had some underlying motivation, but human aliens who are either descendents of the Colonists or the 13th Tribe, or competitors (who want to find Earth for their own reasons would.)
And of course it is quite possible that either the gods, or their descendents are the aliens which have as yet remained undisclosed.
The parallels between the gods and the cylon Models (the blonde could be Aphrodyte, another Athena, another Hermes - judging by their behavior and the stories around them thus far- remember some Greek gods thought man little more than a nuisance to be eradicated if necessary, and some favored men, especially particular men and women, even going so far as to patronize and love them) and the code-combat names of the various human crew are far too obvious for there to be no relationship of any kind.
The whole show displays the direct, if sometimes oblique, relationship between the gods (possibly the aliens I suspect), the humans, and the cylons, and God - who at least to the mind of the Cylon Models provides some motivation for their seemingly paradoxical and competing actions and counteractions. Now either the human colonists or their competitors have some as yet unseen Cult which is monotheistic and so the cyclons picked up God from them (but why adopt God from humans, they hate humans - unless competitor strains of humans also hate the colonists and rebelled against them building the cyclons in the first place?), an alien species implanted that idea (possible), the gods screwed with the cyclons and implanted the idea of God, or the cyclons developed the concept for themselves. The latter is possible of course but not very likely, it's about as likely as the idea that the cyclons decided to one day say, "Hey, how's about we develop human form, commit genocide, then mate with any survivors to see if that's possible? while we're at it let's experiment a bit with the idea of love, of living in harmony with a few humans, and let's see if we can't shake a few loose and hitch a ride to Earth? And I know we'll spend time and resources exploring every aspect of human society and military and technological and biological and psychological capabilities but we'll ignore old technology that we know we can't penetrate, like Galactica, and make no contingency plans to defeat that old bucket or destroy it by other means? Maybe because being machines we just don't have the memory capacity, or patience, to be thorough and get the job done right."
Would Deep Blue fail to understand what a Rook can do just because the Queen is the most powerful and advanced offensive piece on the board and totally ignore the Rook because he's old hat and not that dangerous by comparison?
I don't know about you ladies and gentleman but this level of severe and yet constant coincidental accumulation tends to trip my non-networked bullshit meter. When a load accumulates up to my knees, as we say in the business, it's time to consider the idea that you've wandered into a stable. Had I wanted to I could have developed a much, much better plan to far more fully liquidate the colonists and the Galactica would have been the very last ship to have escaped me. I wouldn't have expected to kill them all, that's a lot of killing and would take a lot of time and resources, and really wouldn't be worth your effort if your real intention was to destroy man, but I could have easily reduced them enough that biological weaponry, radiation poisoning, disease, starvation, spiking water supplies, killing communications and so forth could have set them back several centuries, if not millennia. Then come back fifty years in the future and do it all again. But then again they didn't really want to wipe out all humans. Had they then they would have gone about it much differently.
No, something else is out there with motivations of their own and they have either heavily influenced, or heavily manipulated, or both, the cylons. In any case I strongly suspect alien involvement, depending of course upon how you define that.
But it is also possible that they will run into other aliens as well, after all it is no real stretch in science fiction to assume other life. then again the universe is a big place and just accidentally stumbling upon helpful yet totally unrelated aliens while fleeing is statistically unlikely.
But they've already obviously found planets inhabited by alien life, but plant life. I don't remember seeing alien animals as of yet.
In any case sooner or later they are gonna run across whoever screwed with the cylons to create Cylon-Man, and when they do I won't be surprised at all to find they were alien, even if those aliens are in effect either variant humans or the gods.
Of course the writers could have just been winging it as they go, and maybe they have been, and that's why nothing makes sense in either action or motivation. I hope though they've had this all plotted for awhile even if the plot changes and develops over time.
But if they expect me to believe that the idea of God, that the idea that cyclons want to become biological enough to love and reproduce with humans, that the cyclons are unable to track and destroy one little beta all to hell Battlestar as many times as that ship has been successfully penetrated and infiltrated, and attacked, if they expect me to believe that they escape every pursuit and live through every fight by luck, that the gods and humans and cylons are just coincidentally related, then they haven't done much homework for the thinking man.
If something totally unbelievable doesn't happen in the future then everything that has happened thus far is rendered totally unbelievable. Of course it is only Sci-Fi, and it is only television, but I hope they're shooting for better than just that as their motivation.
When the Cylons left after their initial revolt they found their way to Earth. It was on Earth that they took on human form and gained their monotheism (seeing as most of us are monotheistic). Finding Earth may not be the blessing the colonists hope it is.
On the other hand, Adama's "reunion" with his ex-wife was incredibly well handled, in my opinion.
Having a gun constantly at your head takes away from the danger it should represent. You get used to it. And, after time, you begin to question if the guy holding it would ever pull the trigger.
Given enough time you might that he won't.
I'm glad each episode isn't "Cylon attack of the week." You and others may feel that BSG is getting like a soap but I say simply look at your everyday life. Most people I know have a stupid amount of drama going on because, well, it's just human nature. We surround ourselves in drama. We like it for the most part. Gives us something to bitch about.
I think the "soap" in BSG is closer to real life than many of us would like to admit.
But I don't watch TV for real life. My life doesn't have all that many murders in it (like, zero); but if I tune into Law &Order and don't see a murder in the opening scenes, that's a pretty unusual episode. If I watch Angel or Charmed, there's better than even odds I'm going to see some sort of demon attack. If I watch old Rat Patrol reruns, there's gonna be pitched battles with Nazis.
And it's OK to veer from the conflict for character-driven stories now and then. But in the Galactica episodes I've seen this year, it's more like now and then they veer from the character-driven soap opera for a bit of Cylon attack.
Now I'll admit, there has been a lot of Cylon intrigue. But that would fit just as well in a different setting, like on a colony world or something. What's unique about this setting is it's a ragtag fleet on the run. I'd like to see more reminders of why they're running.
A variant of that idea had occurred to me.
One thing I find interesting is that with the Greek gods a revolt by man, or even too much assistance towards man was considered very, very bad and punishable by the gods (Prometheus was "hung-out" and "de-livered" for bringing fire to man).
In a way the Judeo-Christian revolt can be seen as a revolt against the paganistic idea that man can never really be close to God, or the gods. So monotheism is a way of helping to erase that "Unbridgeable Gulf" between man and god, because God is so powerful that he could be Dictator to all, even the gods, but He chooses not to be be, demanding voluntary service instead. God demands voluntary service, which is a dictatorial demand, and yet also demands a free choice of the participant, just like Love does. You submit voluntarily, but once you do your responsibilities and obligations because of that submission make demands upon you for the rest of your life (very similar to military service, and I think that also is part of the show design - Military Service and Religious Service are natural psychological corollaries.)
Yet in this shop, and I'm sure it is that way on purpose, the gods are the "guides and erstwhile saviors" yet most humans have long ago given up on their actually being gods, until recent events. These "gods" are Greek-pagan in name but not in behavior.
And it is the Cylons who revolted against their own gods (Men) because men had created the Cylons to be, in effect, slaves, servants, or attendants, pretty much the same way the Greek gods generally looked upon man.
So it is the Cylons who revolt in this case, against their own Greek gods (man), and it is they who apparently return with the idea of "God" and a very mysterious and seemingly paradoxical agenda. (Pagan polytheism has capricious and emotional gods, but monotheism always has a mysterious and paradoxical Chief God, one who seems to display Himself through both mundane and miraculous events, but not one who says, "let me explain exactly what I mean by this." A pagan god speaks in oracles, a monotheistic God speaks in parables.) So the cylons appear to abandon the gods of their gods and instead appear to take on the mantle of prophets to God. Yet within their own ranks they show a decided lack of consensus on what their actual mission is, and how to get there.
An interesting turn of the Screw. Especially for Science Fiction and a television show. Of course the original show was filled with religious symbolism as well, unusual for a Sci-Fi show at that time, but this show does better in that regard in my opinion. But I've noticed that a lot of Sci-Fi has become filled with religion and spiritual matters in the past couple of decades. In any case with this show it is blatant, and that is interesting too. Because spiritual matters are almost always mysterious and bizarre, and filled with strange twists of meaning, paradox, and double meaning.
Cylon becomes man, gods become God, Man becomes the gods, but are any of them really what they appear to be?
I guess time will tell.
Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.
Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.