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Molly Ivins, RIP

Molly Ivins has died at age 62 of that horrible beast known as cancer.

It's hard for me to know what to say about this. It's like finding out that Ann Coulter or Maureen Dowd have died. I can't quite think of what exactly I should say.

I always liked her Texas attitude--I am a fellow Texan after all--and I tend to like ballsy women. Even if they are faux-liberals like Molly.

But it's hard to think of any major political commentator of the last few decades who's been more shallow and spiteful, except maybe Michael Savage or Paul Krugman or Ann Coulter or Maureen Dowd. On the other hand, there's much to be said for just saying what you honestly think and let the world be damned.

I'm sure she was much beloved by her friends, and admired by devoted fans to whom she devoted a career to saying every nasty thing that they ever wanted to hear. She also had a tough life in a lot of ways, usually undeservedly so, which probably fed a lot of the anger that so obviously fueled most of her work.

So I guess I'll just say:

Go with God, Molly.

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Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
I won't be a hypocrite and say good things about her that I would never have said yesterday. So I'll say what I would've said yesterday: she was a tough old bird who knew how to mix it up, and gave as good as she got. Right or wrong, you knew where she stood.

And as much as I disagreed with her pretty much 100%, 62 is way too young, and that disease way too cruel. I would rather have her sparring with Tony Snow than have this happen.
1.31.2007 8:35pm
Dean Esmay:
Yeah, I'm with you there.

I don't wish cancer on anyone short of a murderer or torture artist.
1.31.2007 8:40pm
Daniel DiRito (mail) (www):
See Molly Ivins at her satirical best in a video called The Dildo Diaries...here:

www.thoughttheater.com
1.31.2007 9:54pm
Scott Ammerman (mail):
Bless her. Whatever you thought of her, she always spoke her mind. Believe it or not, I admire that. Even if she mostly spoke crazy speak ;)
1.31.2007 10:35pm
Stace:
Back in the day, I always sort of affectionately regarded her as a character, colorful and likable. In more recent years, I could no longer read her stuff. The times are just too serious, and we have more important things to do than indulge BDS sufferers.

I'm still very sad to hear of her passing. I didn't know she'd had a relapse.
1.31.2007 11:55pm
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
I love how we can admire someone for "speaking their mind". Frankly speaking your mind is not admirable when your thoughts are petty, insulting or just plain wrong. Molly Ivins was almost always petty, insulting or just plain wrong.

I take no pleasure in her passing, but I'm not going to praise her just because she died of a horrible disease. Molly Ivins, like Maureen Dowd, was a symptom of what is wrong with political debate in this country. I'm sorry she died of cancer, I shed no tears that her shrill partisan voice is no longer going to be spreading her own version of bile anymore.

I'd say exactly the same thing about Ann Coulter, it's not about partisanship, it's about civility and decency in public debate.
2.1.2007 1:14am
M. Barrette (mail) (www):
Thank you Sean Golden for summarizing my thoughts exactly. Over the past three years at least, Ms. Ivins was a one-trick pony: Bush Hatred. It was a tired act. Besides that, her writing style left much to be desired. She contributed nothing to the public discourse and, instead, polluted the debate with her poorly-written hit pieces on the President.
2.1.2007 10:25am
Brian Finlayson (mail):
The thing that kills me is that the president released a statement praising her for her career and outspokenness. No one ever gives him credit for being classy, but whatever you think of his policies, he always acts in a way that brings honor to the presidency. Remember how he sat there at the Coretta Scott King funeral and suffered all the nonsense that was said about him? Maybe I'm the only who still admires people acting like polite grownups despite their differences.
2.1.2007 10:36am
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
I'll second your sentiments, Dean. Rest easy, Ms. Ivins.
2.1.2007 4:46pm
Dean Esmay:
Brian: Of course he did.

He didn't have to. He could have stayed absolutely silent. But he's a good, honest, decent man.
2.1.2007 5:25pm
MaryJ:
I like your words Brian. The president did the right thing. He has said a lot of wonderful things. He sure does know a thing or two about class. Ms.Ivins is now resting in peace.
2.1.2007 7:15pm
Tano (mail):
What a revolting hypocritical post this is. You've had 20 years to bash a poltical enemy, and you have the rest of time to do so. But on the occasion of her death, all you can do is to trash her with obscene insults....Ann Coulter, Michael Savage??? What planet are you on?
Oh, and then a little "go with god" as you take the knife out?

No class whatsoever.
2.1.2007 9:09pm
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
Tano:

Perhaps the "trashing" of her on the occasion of her death is because that's when her name is in the news and the commentary is relevent?

I wonder how long it would take me to find an occasion of Molly Ivins trashing some conservative on the event of his/her death. Want to take some odds on Ronald Reagan?

Since we're discussing hypocrisy and all you know...
2.2.2007 1:24am
Dean Esmay:
Tano: What obsene insults? I don't recall swearing.

The woman made her living brutally savaging decent people. I will not fail to note that fact on the occasion of her death.

I think you do not know what the word "hypocritical" means, because what would be hypocritical would be ignoring the nastiness that defined her career and saying nice things about her just because she had an unpleasant and undeserved death.

By the way, the way you pick and choose is interesting. I compared her to nasty pieces of work like Paul Krugman, Maureen Down, AND Michael Savage and Ann Coulter. Which is a comparison I stand by without shame. Interesting that you chose only to be outraged that I compared her to the right-wing nasties and not the left-wing nasties. Why, I wonder...?
2.2.2007 7:10am
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
What left-wing nasties, Dean? Comparing her to Mr. Krugman and Ms. Dowd was obviously a compliment.

There are no left-wing nasties, after all.
2.2.2007 10:12am
Dean Esmay:
There are no left-wing nasties, after all.

Oh, right. I forgot.
2.2.2007 9:53pm
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