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Chris Matthews Drools at Prospect of Bashing Bush Over Libby

"Truth is stranger than fiction" is a phrase you often hear tossed around. I'd add a corollary to it: truth can be funnier than fiction, too.

Such was the case on tonight's "Hardball" where host Chris Matthews got so excited with his quest to blame the Bush admin for the Valerie Plame kerfuffle, he actually started drooling about it on the air, going past anything that "Saturday Night Live" actor Darrell Hammond has ever done in parody.

And no, that's not hyperbole. See the screenshot to the right and watch the video here in WMV or in RealPlayer.

This wasn't the first time Matthews has embarrassed himself regarding Scooter Libby and Valerie Plame. Last September, the notoriously effusive commentator couldn't find the words to describe the case once it became clear that Karl Rove would not be indicted.

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Vic Stein (mail):
That's hysterical.

You, I mean. You're hysterical. And not in the ha ha sense.

There are lots of reasons why people drool (and not least of which are a bunch of minor medical problems), and human beings drooling because they are secretly excited is actually pretty uncommon and uncharacteristic of humans.

But, this "drooling with anticipation" interpretation of things is apparently just too in line with your worldview to NOT be true.
1.30.2007 12:05am
jaymaster (mail):
Vic is right.

For all we know, maybe Chris was suffering with excess saliva because he couldn’t find enough civilian murdering Iraq war veterans to spit on over the weekend…..
1.30.2007 2:02am
Dean Esmay:
What's genuinely hilarious to watch is this:

White House concludes "This guy's a partisan hack who should be discredited" and decides to say so, and this gets spun into some sort of insane quest on their part to destroy Wilson by any means necessary.

Let me know when this farce is over.
1.30.2007 5:51am
zach.:
Dean,

I guess my issue is that if Wilson was such a hack, they should have just responded to his points and not to him personally. I mean if he was wrong, just say so. There's no need to needlessly impugn both his motives and those of his wife. Regardless of the veracity of claims of nepotism, it doesn't speak to what Wilson reported. I mean legal or illegal it was still a stupid smear job.
1.30.2007 10:34am
Sean Golden (mail) (www):
Calling a liar a liar is not a smear job.
1.30.2007 6:07pm
zach.:
That's not the issue, Sean. The issue is turning his wife's alleged nepotism into a talking point at the expense of her career.
1.30.2007 8:14pm
Dean Esmay:
I have yet to see any evidence that there was any cost at all to her career that wasn't self-inflicted.

It simply is not illegal, immoral, or unethical to note that someone works for CIA. Never has been, never will be. Neither is it any of those things to accuse someone of getting a job he was poorly qualified for because his wife got him in the door.

That's why this entire farce deserves all the ridicule it gets.
1.31.2007 6:26am
zach.:
Well, Dean, illegal, immoral, unethical are all pretty weighty terms. Perhaps it's none of those things to pretend to know with absolute certainty the inner workings of the mind of another. But, like I said, it absolutely does not speak AT ALL to the content of Wilson's report. It's a circumstantial ad hominem at best.

personally, though, i could care less what happens during the trial.
1.31.2007 10:52am
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
zach., when Mr. Wilson's supporters tout him as The Voice of Objective Truth, Selected by the Administration and Then Shunned When He Didn't Toe the Party Line, then his motivations, qualifications, and method of selection are all relevant to the debate. You can't grant one side the right to anoint him and deny the other side the right to poke holes in his story.
1.31.2007 11:58am
zach.:
who said i gave anyone the right to anointment? i'm just saying if you don't like the report respond to the report. otherwise who cares?
1.31.2007 8:42pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
zach.,

Maybe you're not putting St. Wilson on the pedestal, but everyone in the media did. And the only way to answer that is to point out the feet of clay.

Or maybe you think their anointment of St. Wilson was scurrilous as well?
1.31.2007 9:11pm
zach.:
Martin,

i dispute that the feet of clay argument is the only way to counter an undeserved beatification.
1.31.2007 9:42pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
zach., I'm afraid that's just naive. The media loves to put someone in the position of unassailable expert, as long as they agree with that someone. When it's "He Said/You Said" and "he" is unassailable, then your story can't get out.
1.31.2007 9:57pm
zach.:
i don't think it's naive to say that you can respond to someone's argument by responding to what that person said and not who that person is. i mean, look at dean's statement of white house intentions:

"This guy's a partisan hack who should be discredited"

i think we can agree that certainly that it was their intent to discredit wilson whatever their motivations. perhaps the easiest way to discredit someone is to smear him, but aren't we enlightened souls of the blogosphere supposed to be able to see through such obvious fallacies of logic? it may be more difficult, but it certainly is more pertinent to the discussion at hand and infinitely more persuasive to discredit wilson (if it's possible) by directly refuting what he had to say with counter-facts. why is making a rational, logical, persuasive argument naive? i think, rather, that it was supremely naive of the white house to believe that they could so obviously attempt to smear a man who you've already described as anointed by the MSM as a saint, and not expect more blowback than blow-forward.
2.1.2007 10:31am
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):

why is making a rational, logical, persuasive argument naive?


It was made. The answer came back: "But he's your own hand-picked unbiased source. How can you disagree with him?" The only possible response to that is "No, he's not. His wife selected him."

Show me the smear, zach. Don't just claim there was one, show it. You'll find that what you call a "smear" was always a response to a false claim of his unquestioned correctness. We can't let false claims go unanswered.
2.1.2007 12:09pm
zach.:
i guess i missed the part where there was a thorough debunking of the wilson report prior to the white house pushback?
2.1.2007 1:16pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Compare Mr. Wilson's report to his OpEd. The report itself thoroughly debunks the OpEd, and generally supports the Administration's position. Yet it's the OpEd that gets cited as his "findings".
2.1.2007 1:34pm
zach.:
i'm totally fine with that. i don't have any allegiance to wilson or his positions, and if they're bogus they're bogus. however, i don't think you can honestly point to a concerted (or even half-assed) attempt by the white house to discredit wilson's op-ed based on the known facts prior to moving towards the attacks on his character.
2.1.2007 4:07pm
zach.:
although if you can, then i guess my memory is just bad and i'll happily shut up.
2.1.2007 4:07pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Here's the timeline.
2.3.2007 11:22am
zach.:
so in other words a single press release prior to the novak column.
2.3.2007 3:08pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Well, since you have yet to identify the putative smear, we cannot really tell how many statements came before it. "He wasn't selected by us, he was recommended by his wife" doesn't count as a smear.
2.3.2007 4:37pm
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