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Galactica Sunday

Hmmmm. Guess I'm doing the Battlestar Galactica posts now. Well, I know that Dean's enthusiasm for the show has waned of late so I guess it's up to the next generation.

With the show on at 10 PM on Sunday's that means I don't often watch it until the following Monday. To be honest the new day doesn't work for me at all. For example, I have a bi-weekly game I attend. It typically gets done at 11 PM. I need to get to bed afterwards for work the next day. It's a bloody pain in my posterior.

However, as these posts are coming up after the episode airs it allows me to give my thoughts (albeit via hidden text) on the post on the front page! Go me.

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alan:
Galactica Rhapsody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQh1jEvLcDs
1.29.2007 9:08am
Buddy (mail) (www):
My reaction, again? 'Meh.' It's getting too soap-operay.
1.29.2007 9:38am
Brian W (www):
I watched the show in about 30 minutes last night.....

Intro...FF....watch Baltar hang himself....FF through relationship crap....more Baltar....FF more relationship crap....watch Baltar get medically waterboarded...FF more relationship crap....

It's starting to get annoying, I think they are trying to bring in a broader audience and try to get away from it being a sci-fi show to a show in a sci-fi setting.
1.29.2007 11:04am
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
I agree with Kevin: I liked the episode.

Having Apollo and Starbuck not end up together blew me away, and it earned the show massive points in my book. I also liked how Starbuck made fun of the idea that she had a "destiny."

One thing caught my attention: a lot of the less-major actors were missing from this episode. Cally, Helo, Athena, and the Cylons other than Caprica Six were nowhere to be seen. I actually think that's a good thing: when you have a large cast it can be hard to work everyone into every episode, and so giving them a break heightens my anticipation for seeing them again (as they tend to be my favorite characters).

What I want to know is what will happen with Gaeta. He tried to kill Baltar because he believed Baltar would convince others that he'd been a traitor. I'd be very upset if Gaeta were executed, committed suicide, or somehow turned into a bad guy.

Of course, the big question is this: now that Baltar and Caprica Six are on the same ship, what then? If you watched the extended bonus scene on SciFi's website, she seems to want to testify against him. However, is there a chance that, like Slobodan Milosovic, the trial may be inept enough that he is found Not Guilty?
1.29.2007 12:11pm
Dawn_Braun:
Did I hear Baltar correctly???

Did he say MOFO when he was being dragged away?

anyone pickup on this? Just curious.
1.29.2007 1:43pm
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
Dawn,

There was definitely a "motherfrakker" in there
1.29.2007 2:25pm
Jerry Kindall (www):
a lot of the less-major actors were missing from this episode

A number of shows do this and it's usually due to budget constraints. Actors are contracted to appear in a certain number of episodes per season, and are paid accordingly. So for all except the majors, there are bound to be episodes in which they don't appear. Usually they sneak 'em in one at a time so you don't notice so easily, but occasionally they do 'em all in a bunch. That's usually a good sign that those people have an important role to play later in the season -- they're giving them an episode off now because they know those characters are needed later.
1.29.2007 2:38pm
Ken Hall (www):
Aristotle would say that having a gun to your head is no excuse. (Offered without comment.)
1.29.2007 4:25pm
Harkonnenmutt (mail) (www):
The show's jumped over a reef full of shark with friggin' laser beams on their friggin' heads. Baltar and C6 are the only reasons to watch now.

There's nobody to root for... Apollo went from being a noble prig to a prig and Starbuck went from being a noble ho to just a ho, Roslyn's nothing but a smug look and the Admiral figures a saboteur's are teh awesome.

Still, I watch.
1.29.2007 5:31pm
JoanH (www):
Baltar had a gun to his head, once, and only for that last round'em-up and shoot 'em business. What about all the other crap he signed off on? What about the many, many things he agree to, without even trying to negotiate for the better of humanity.

Besides which, I agree with Aristotle.
1.29.2007 6:23pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):

Baltar had a gun to his head, once, and only for that last round'em-up and shoot 'em business.

What, you think Baltar honestly believed he had a choice in any of the matters he signed off on? Do you think Baltar thought he did?

What about what Baltar said to Gaeta about allowing him to bring information to the resistance? That's a damned fine point. Why wouldn't Batlar know? He's not dumb.

I think you're too quick to judge him harshly.

Everyone seems to agree that Gaeta made the best of a bad situation by feeding information to the resistance from within the Baltar Administration. Indeed he's a hero for doing so. Why is Baltar any less a hero for allowing Gaeta to work unmolested? Indeed, how do we not know that Baltar could have ensured certian vital details made it across Gaeta's desk? Or that Baltar went to lengths to protect Gaeta's work from Cylon eyes?

Surely Baltar knew that if he were killed another person would simply take his place. Perhaps, well, someone not better suited for the situation.

You're too quick to judge. And Aristotle's opinions aren't relevant here because there's is a lot we do not know. We don't know because we've only seen one side of the story. And the one decree we did see Baltar sign we saw the Cylons had to put a gun to his head. How do we not know this hadn't happened before? Or, how do we not know if the Cylon's didn't threaten anything worse for the Colonists if Baltar didn't sign X decree?

Baltar is damned right to demand a trial! Thank the gods none of you serve on the jury.
1.29.2007 7:17pm
Dean Esmay:
Mark your calendars: Kevin turned into a bleeding heart liberal this week.

Just kidding, Kevin. ;-)

Without question Baltar (portrayed exquisitely by James Callis) has been my favorite character all along. But I like him because he's so obviously a villain, and the worst sort of villain in my eyes; not someone who is intentionally a mustache-twirling sadist (he is not) but because he is so utterly craven and self-absorbed that he can't see anything else most of the time. This is what true everyday villainy usually consists of, in my opinion. This is why it's only natural to me that at some point he'd hope to be a cylon; the tiny shred of conscience he actually has would practically demand such a desire.

And let me be clear: when I say I "like" him, I don't mean "admire" or "want to emulate." Hannibal Lecter is without a doubt one of the best characters to ever appear out of Hollywood, and I certainly don't admire him. I don't admire Scarlett O'Hara either. I merely admire the craft, the art, that goes into breathing life into such characters.

Baltar to me is like a flesh-and-blood Wile E. Coyote. Brought to operatic levels.

My argument with Kevin goes thusly: you remember, don't you, that Baltar blew the highest of high level security clearances, gave away humanity's entire defense grid, in exchange for some red hot pooty-tang with long legs and bleached blond hair, right?

The funny thing to me is, I can actually sympathize a little with him as President; it would be easy under an occupation to be convinced that doing one evil thing would amount to less evil later. It would be easy to rationalize that. The gun to the head now and then would also help.

It's the before part that I can't forgive. His honorable answer has long been to confess and face execution. It's what I like to think I'd do in his shoes.
1.29.2007 8:45pm
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
Dean,

Ah, but that's the thing...he's going to be tried for something he may be able to beat and may not be tried for what he actually did do.
1.29.2007 11:11pm
McGehee (mail) (www):
I agree this was a good episode. I found myself, though, trying to see what they were going for by juxtaposing Baltar and the Lee/Kara storyline as closely as they did.

And I knew Gaeta was in trouble the first time he glanced up at the camera (stupid! stupid! stupid!), and Baltar caught him at it. He should have been able to brazen it out, say, "Well, after you tried to hang yourself did you seriously think they wouldn't put you under surveillance?"

And letting Baltar accuse him of being the betrayer, that was bad. Gaeta wouldn't make a very good spy, apparently -- maybe he did need Baltar protecting his work on New Caprica after all.
1.30.2007 12:49am
Kevin D (mail) (www):

My argument with Kevin goes thusly: you remember, don't you, that Baltar blew the highest of high level security clearances, gave away humanity's entire defense grid, in exchange for some red hot pooty-tang with long legs and bleached blond hair, right?

I think she's a real blond. That changes the entire dynamic!
1.30.2007 9:29am
Dean Esmay:
Heh.
1.30.2007 6:31pm
Chad (www):
Hmmm.. so we're saying that Baltar, completely self absorbed, giving into his basest desires rather than think of the greater good is... a Californian?
1.31.2007 4:48pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):
Yes.
2.1.2007 10:16am
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