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Sunday's Galactica

Well, it appears our gracious host has forgotten about this week's Battlestar Galactica.

I'd say no spoilers but since it aired two days ago I'll put my thoughts on the front page but keep the text hidden just in case.

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Elisha Feger (mail) (www):
I think he was just waiting to see how long it would take someone else to make a Galactica thread.
1.23.2007 4:59am
Dean Esmay:
I just saw the episode. I hadn't gotten around to it until this morning. Ah, the wonders of the DVR.

Overall it was a good episode. I still don't know if the show is going to survive past this season, but we'll see.

I don't think the other 5 models were boxed, Kevin. I think they have no idea who or what they are. Which I find interesting to say the least.

I am amused that Baltar thinks he may be a cylon, wants to believe he's a cylon. That's pretty funny because I was speculating that he might be a cylon all the way back in season 1, and I got flak for that. Clearly the creators had that possibility in mind all along, and were at least hinting at it. It could of course just be an attempt at throwing us off, of course. I guess we'll see at the end of this season.

It's also pretty clear that Lucy Lawless either got too expensive for the show's budget, or, she wanted off the show for a while. ;-)

(Psst, Kevin: her name's spelled D'anna. I fixed your entry. ;-)
1.23.2007 6:13am
Kevin D (mail) (www):
Ron Moore's podcast might reveal why Lucy left.
1.23.2007 6:39am
McGehee (mail) (www):

Though, I don't like the idea of Cylons only having destinies like Baltar and D'anna.


Don't forget, it was the Chief who found the temple.
1.23.2007 8:06am
McGehee (mail) (www):

I am amused that Baltar thinks he may be a cylon, wants to believe he's a cylon.


And I still can't reconcile that with the fact he went aboard the plague ship and didn't bring back the plague. He volunteered with the confidence that he couldn't be infected -- but this act is bracketed by his questioning whether he's a Cylon? WTF?
1.23.2007 8:09am
Kevin D (mail) (www):
Baltar hopes he's a Cylon. As he said in his own words, he want's to be a hero to someone. He wants to belong somewhere. If you also recall, he went on board the plagued Baseship to prove his worth to the Cylons. He was looking at death if he couldn't show them he could still be of service to them.

So, the fear of death overrode his hopes of being a Cylon in that particular instance.

See, it all makes sense!
1.23.2007 8:25am
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
I'm not sure how I feel about the whole Starbuck-as-prophet thing. The whole series is getting a little too mystical for my tastes.

Now that they have Hera, Baltar, and Caprica Six aboard Galactica, it's time for them to end things. If they go past this season they're going to lose a lot of their audience, so spend the next twelve episodes (and perhaps some series end extravaganza) showing the Other Five, finding Earth, resolving the Apollo-Starbuck thing, marrying Adama and Roslin, punishing Baltar, and all that stuff.
1.23.2007 8:59am
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
Kevin D,

Good point: the prophecy says that a dying leader will show them the way, but Roslin's not dying anymore. It would make sense that she's not the leader and never was.

I don't think that Starbuck can be a Cylon, though, given their efforts to capture and "tame" her. It's possible that there's an explanation that would let her be one, though.
1.23.2007 9:03am
Kevin D (mail) (www):
I know some, Dean in particular, are upset about Roslin being cured of her cancer. They feel the show "jumped the shark" that moment. I have a 'wait and see' attitude.

Had she died when they all thought she would then she clearly could not be the prophet because they were nowhere near Earth. And she could still yet die. Cancer has a habit of coming out of remission. So, it's entirely possible that the gods allowed her this respite to fulfill her destiny at which point she will die.

And I disagree with your pronouncement that the show should end this season or risk losing viewers. In my experience seasons 3, 4 and 5 tend to be the best. By then the show has found its legs and it moving at a brisk pace. I'd like to see it go 5 or 6 seasons. I think that's a reasonable length.
1.23.2007 9:19am
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
Kevin D,

I get what you're saying, but here's the thing in my mind: how long can you run a show based on a chase? Prison Break got their folks out of the penitentiary (like how I avoided using "prison" twice in the same sentence?) at the end of the first season, and so while they're on the run, a definite goal has been met.

While I could be wrong, I don't see how they can continue on at this pace. Helo shooting Athena was a shock to me, but I was dismayed that she achieved her objective and even brought Caprica Six with her before the episode was even over. Unless they've got a completely new dimension to flesh out which they've been nursing along, I can't see what else there is for them to do without a significant loss of momentum.
1.23.2007 10:12am
Kevin D (mail) (www):
It's a chase, yes, but they've woven other threads in. The stare down over the the Eye of Jupiter is a great example. And now that the Galactica has Hera back, something the Cylons dearly want, the Colonial Fleet has some leverage.

Then there are the religious aspects. Is Roslin the prophet spoken of? What is Kara's destiny? What did D'anna see between life and death? Who are the Final Five? Why do they seem to exist in that place? Does this mean the colonial gods are false gods? If so why does their prophecy seem to be accurate?

And on and on and on. To sum up Battlestar Galactica as a chase is as like saying The Lord of the Rings is about Frodo taking a ring to a volcano. It's essentially accurate but misses so much!
1.23.2007 10:38am
HokiePundit (RDB) (mail):
I once read an article on JRR Tolkien that brought up a point I'd never considered: he took pains to guard his readers. By including bits like "...as Sam would remember years later in his old age..." he avoided the thrilling plot twists which characterize so much of drama today. The problem with thrilling plot twists, though, is that they don't encourage security. We have no idea if they're ever going to reach Earth, nor even if the humans are really the "good guys."
1.23.2007 11:28am
Kevin D (mail) (www):

...nor even if the humans are really the "good guys."

I think that's by design. Ron Moore has stated that he strives with the show to never give quick answers. He wants the viewers to decide. Perhaps it's this kind of story telling, the kind that does away with clearly defined good guys, that says something about our moral state today.

I don't know. I know who I think are the good guys, warts and all, and knowing that anyone of them could go is scary and keeps my butt in the seat.

Tolkien was crafting a tale of morality. His story was about life and death and good versus evil.

BSG isn't that kind of story. Is it less because of that? I don't think so. There's plenty of room for stories like BSG.

I do think that each forces us to examine ourselves. They just go about it by differing means and therefore highlight different areas to examine.

I adore Tolkien. I love what he did and, perhaps even more, what he was trying to do. His stories, for me, make me look at more spiritual matters. More philosophical matters.

BSG makes me look at the here-and-now.

BUt that's just me.
1.23.2007 12:25pm
McGehee (mail) (www):
Well, being a human myself, I'd find it hard to identify with someone who has been trying to wipe out the human race. So, it's not so much a matter to me of whether or not humans are the "good guys." They're "my guys" against an enemy that attacked not to conquer, but to exterminate.
1.24.2007 8:08am
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