Syriana
Ali Eteraz
Have you guys seen it?
The "creation" of the militant suicide bombers is so on point its obscene. It captures perfectly the way alienation is manipulation by the militant overlords and their Mephistophelian recruiters. If you haven't seen it, do. It's not at all a 'liberal leftist' film. I really expected that given that Clooney was in it, the film was going to apologize for the reprehensible actions of Muslims. It doesn't do that. As a Muslim activist I thought it was kind of a slap in the face. It said to me: what are you "activists" doing to counter these smiling recruiters? What are you "activists" doing to suggest that these tyrants should be shorn of their power? What are you "activists" worth if the most likely killer of your reformists are Muslims themselves (I just gave away the ending).









Edward R. Murrow actually was a communist.
George Clooney is a great actor, but I completely ignore the political opinions of Hollywood actors.
But DO rent the film, it is still good entertainment.
If only oil could be made obsolete. If only we could make diesel from algae on a large scale, for about $3.25 a gallon. Then we could partly nationalize our energy sector, and force the algae diesel to be purchased, thus dropping demand for oil, thus dropping the price for oil, thus destroying the economy of Iran and Saudi Arabia, which are 2 countries I'd like to see go back to the stone age.
that's uh...that's news to me. where'd you hear that?
Here:
Edward R. Murrow and Sen. Joseph McCarthy
See it Now (CBS-TV, April 6, 1954)
"Senator Joseph R. McCarthy's Reply"
to quote Murrow himself:
<blockquote>[T]he line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. … We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason. … (W)e are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular. This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent. …</blockquote>
I also find McCarthy himself to be a singularly unconvincing source on which to base a judgement of the man who cost him his job.
Baer is an ex-CIA agent who has written some pretty detailed accounts of terrorism's financial infrastructure. He's also one of the few government employees (past or present) who will admit that the KSA is one of the biggest supporters of terrorism worldwide.
In much the same way I was caught by Clint Eastwood's new film, Flags of our Fathers, which struck me a being less about WWII and America, and more about the making of men... what we are; where we come from; how we resolve the paradox and dissolve into history. It would be interesting to knoe how that struck you in contrast. Perhaps you could view it and let us know.
It's the nihilism, syndicalism and tyranny we must defeat -- that perpetually returns; a battle which rumbles across every culture in every language, penetrating into every religion to cause it to turn it against itself.
And men and their sons are abandoned by fate to contend with ungodly mess of it. Talk about mortal plight. The question you identified as a Muslim is first a question we must all face as men on behalf of our sons who must follow. Somewhere in this direction lies the peace we seek. Are we not all at war with the worst among us?
zach:
But more importantly, was what McCarthy said about Murrow true?
I used to be very skeptical of McCarthy. Then I read what Whittaker Chambers went through. The Pumpkin Papers episode really shows just how breathtakingly mendacious and pernicious the Communists in America could be. In light of his revelations and the declassification of Venona, it's increasingly difficult to take their defenses seriosuly.
"(W)e are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular. This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent"
starts to sound a lot like
"George W Bush's fascist regime is shredding the Constitution"
i think you're right, it all boils down to: are the accusations true. in the case of GWB shredding the constitution, not so much. but there is no doubt that senator mccarthy, regardless of the ultimate veracity or mendacity of his claims, was trying to insert himself as the thought police. Notice that Murrow is not objecting to McCarthy's aims, since he described himself as an anti-communist, but merely McCarthy's methods.
Syriana is actually pretty good, once you subtract the out-of-date crap about oil companies and conspiracies. The scenes on recruiting were, as Ali notes, chilling in their accuracy. There's a lot that's authentic--including Baer's being repudiated by the CIA for going off the reservation--from the scenery to the accents to the general tone of spookdom.
"Paradise Now" is also worth seeing, regardless of what you may have heard about it it from either the left or the right. It tells a very complex story that's worth listening to.
senator mccarthy, regardless of the ultimate veracity or mendacity of his claims, was trying to insert himself as the thought police.
Well, that's the conventional wisdom. But "regardless of the veracity"? There's certainly nothing wrong with accusing people of treason when they're actually guilty of it; that's actually doing great service to America. And remember: McCarthy was only getting people removed from sensitive government positions, not kicking in people's doors in the middle of the night and dragging them off to gulags (which its relevant to note the Soviet patrons of those he pursued were, in fact, doing).
There's certainly nothing wrong with accusing people of treason when they're actually guilty of it; that's actually doing great service to America.
absolutely, but as the relevent wikipedia entry explains, Sen. McCarthy was in the habit of slinging accusations for which he had no actionable evidence. you can say what you like about whether his villification was deserved or undeserved, but saying that he was honestly just doing his job is just untrue.
but i'm not here to attack mccarthy, i'm merely defending murrow.
well, you would say that, wouldn't you.
i've worked for the CIA on occasion and Baer is a lying a**hole.
consider, if he was telling the truth, he would have been arrested and prosecuted for violating his oath to protect classified data, which extends beyond the term of employment.
oh, do tell, matoko/jinnilyyah/River Tam. you're always so honest and so upfront.
By the way, I thought we had rules here about names..
Another reason to see it.
my name is legion.
i have a thousand names, i'm dhatu alwanin, she-of-many-guises. =)
the reason is, i've been banned at dKos and LGF, at althouse and feministe. lol, i must have a name to have a voice.