Dean's World

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Galactica Tonight

Before tonight's episode, here are my comments. After the episode I may have more.

I still love the show but I begin to sense the creators getting a little lax. This may be inevitable, and no show is perfect of course. One thing I noticed was that in the season opener they had the humans attacking the firing squad, and we heard gunshots fired as Cally ran. Then in the next episode (last week) the Colonials do not fire until the Chief knocks her to the ground.

Cheap guys. Cheap. I understand that all shows are imperfect and that suspension of disbelief is a contract the audience implicitely has with the producers. But that was a little much to me. Not quite as bad as the "Cylon baby blood" sin (still unforgiven on this blog) but come on. You guys weren't even trying on that one.

Also: I notice that the interesting plot thread last season of the pacifists/anti-war protestors who sympathized with the Cylons seems to have been utterly dropped. Bad move in my view. That thread should be tied up somewhere. It could be wrapped up pretty easily but just leaving it dangling would be a mistake in my view. (Of course they may tie up that loose thread at some point. It just seems odd to me that it's still dangling there.)

I'll also say in advance: the idea that they're going to evacuate tens of thousands of people in a rush job off New Caprica? Seems like a stretch to me. I haven't seen how they've done it in this episode (it hasn't aired yet as I write this) but I'm wondering if they're going to make it all a little too convenient.

Well we'll see. Those are my thoughts so far.

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Note: As always, spoilers are welcome in the comments once the episode has aired. Which means, after 10pm Eastern. No whining if you spot a spoiler after that time.

Update: Wow, what an episode eh?

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Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Yeah, they're getting lax. Season 3 is usually the make or break for a TV show. I wish Ron Moore had done what JMS did and plot the whole thing out in advance. 'cause it's evident that neither the cylons nor Moore have A Plan...
10.20.2006 9:28pm
Brickmuppet (mail) (www):
Oh cool...I'm commenting at Deans World!


Regards the peacenik plot thread. I see no reason to deal with that. The Cylons are obviously not good stewards and any that were not on Cloud 9 when 6-P commited suicide (it was their base of operations IIRC) have likely cooled towards the cylons, particularly if they were among the peace activists who knew about the bomb.

OTOH, they could deal with them tomnight as still being collaborators.

The gunfire continuity error is no worse than any of the old Republic serials and I liked the "3hours earlier bit" which made it less of a deux ex machina.

Herding the people onto the ships is going to be pandemonium. I'd be suprised if LOTS didn't get left behind/ kiled, but this is to save as many as possible.

The best is the enemy of good enough.

If just a few thousand people get off then the genetic diversity of the species is that much more secure. That is the rational reason for this mission. The real reason is the concience of Adama and likely many of the fleet.

They HAVE to try.
10.20.2006 10:13pm
Vic Stein (mail):
Yeah, the Cally thing was totally screwed up.

But HOLY CRAP TIGH WTF!!!!
10.20.2006 10:16pm
Vic Stein (mail):
Oh, the Cally thing was worse than that. Remember

End of last episode:
-Cally is grabbed by Jammer and basically shoved down a hill, she rolls, lands in a wooded area, runs, we hear gunfire, and then see her go down

Start of the subsequent episode:
-Cally is seen, alone, she runs UP a hill into a NON wooded area, the soldiers explicitly say that they canno start firing until shes out of the way, and she's then tackled.

That's are pretty crappy bunch of plot holes right there!

I have to say though, that the plot of Galatica is a lot less completist than many shows, and perhaps intentionally. Plot threads that dont get tied up seem common. We get pieces of things and basically are expected to fill in the rest.
10.20.2006 10:24pm
Vic Stein (mail):
Well, I wont say anything spoilery until Ten, but I think that was pretty darn good.
10.20.2006 11:06pm
Kevin D (mail) (www):

Also: I notice that the interesting plot thread last season of the pacifists/anti-war protestors who sympathized with the Cylons seems to have been utterly dropped.

Ummmm... I think they all got blowed up by the nuke. And isn't it a bit early to be calling the thread "dropped?" Besides, the experience on New Caprica should make anyone with friendly Cylon feelings think differently.
10.20.2006 11:11pm
Vic Stein (mail):
Yeah, the Cylons didn't even build aqueducts like the Romans.
10.20.2006 11:17pm
John Eddy (mail) (www):
All I can say is Kara Thrace lived up to my expectations. Love that girl.
10.20.2006 11:52pm
Vic Stein (mail):
Now that it's past 10...

-Is that the first time we've seen the internal Six when the real six is right there? There goes that theory...
-best way to resolve the Kara toaster storyline: fits with that lying bastard's character, and tears Starbuck up without saddling her with an annoying kid
-Note that, like the original series: Pegasus is destroyed. Baltar now runs with the Cylons. Interesting.
10.21.2006 12:15am
Dean Esmay:
I'm a little behind because I DVR it and then watch it an hour or two later. But holy s#!t.

There has never been, in the history of television, such amazing Science Fiction television. It exceeds the best of Rod Serling. It's not perfect (nothing is) but holy cow. Holy cow.
10.21.2006 2:03am
Jerry Kindall (www):
I'm still smarting from the Cylon baby blood and the year-ahead skip, but I have to admit that was a solid, satisfying hour of drama. It felt like the season finale that the second season didn't have. I am somewhat surprised (but pleased) that they didn't take the tack of using interminable flashbacks throughout the season to fill in the missing year, saving "Exodus" for the Season 3 finale.
10.21.2006 3:04am
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Jerry: agreed. I _do_ hope that we get to see a bit of the year; I rather suspect that's next week's ep. but the journey, not the destination, is the important thing...

Vic: I noticed the same thing. now we can get back to being Battlestar Galactica, not the Galactica and Pegasus show...

I wonder how many humans got off New Caprica? I wouldn't be shocked if it was less than 40,000...
10.21.2006 5:29am
John Eddy (mail) (www):
Something bothered me and I fianlly realized wht it was.

Towards the end of the episode Balatar and Six find baby Hera all bundled up in her dead 'mother's' arms...

BZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!

Hera was born before the election that put Baltar in the presidency. At least 16 months have passed, probably more like 18 months, and Hera is still an infant?

Makes the Cally Paradox seem tame.
10.21.2006 11:21am
Dean Esmay:
Oh crap. I hadn't thought about that.
10.21.2006 11:47am
Bryan Costin (mail) (www):
Great episode. Galactica's brief jump into the atmosphere was awesome. The Starbuck/Casey resolution seemed a bit too convenient. But I have to admit that I'm glad they got rid of the kid quickly. The aftermath will be much more interesting than the revelation.

Hera was born before the election that put Baltar in the presidency. At least 16 months have passed, probably more like 18 months, and Hera is still an infant?

Hey, you're right. A lot of TV shows play fast and loose with children's ages but I'd expect better here. Maybe Cylon/Human hybrids actually are supposed to mature more slowly than humans? With that wacky mystery baby blood you never know.
10.21.2006 2:24pm
JoanH (www):
Hera was not an infant, she was clearly a young toddler -- maybe just a little younger than Casey, somewhere around 18 months, I'd say. It's easy to think that she's an infant because we always see her bundled up and being carried around, but from the size of her head and the amount of hair she has, it's clear that she's well over a year old.

There's plenty to ding the writers for, but the casting of Hera is fine.
10.21.2006 3:06pm
Vic Stein (mail):
I think the Kara thing was resolved in the best way possible that DOESN'T make that whole storyline seem like a cop-out. In fact, think about it. Leoban grabbed some random kid off the street and used it to try and force Kara into aquiescning into his own bizarre concept of "love." It fits his character perfectly, and it tore up Kara inside. That's better than any Kara-made clone, pop-tart, or "baby-Cylon faking being her child" scenario that would have had to have been the alternative. Leoban is a crazy, twisted bad guy.

It also keeps "wow Hera is so unique and important... wait nope here's another one" from being a plot hole.
10.21.2006 3:33pm
McGehee (mail) (www):

Hera was born before the election that put Baltar in the presidency. At least 16 months have passed, probably more like 18 months, and Hera is still an infant?


I noticed that a few episodes ago. And I have to disagree with JoanH, Hera didn't look near old enough to me.

But Galactica's atmo jump had me saying "Holy $#!t" and thinking, somebody oughta do a theme park ride. After that, having Pegasus ride over the hill was kind of ho-hum.

I would have written Apollo's arrival on Galactica a little different.

"Son, where's your battlestar?"

"Um, I'm sorry, Dad. I broke it."

"(sigh) This is why we can never have nice things."
10.21.2006 3:39pm
McGehee (mail) (www):
As for Casey, considering that at first I was rooting for Kara to crush the little brat's skull, having her turn out to be somebody's actual human baby gave me pause.
10.21.2006 3:40pm
The Black Republican (mail) (www):
Joan, that kid wasn't even big enough to walk.

And as much as I thought the whole skip-a-year idea was bad at the end of last season, after the webeps and the first couple of season 3 full episodes, it was actually starting to grow on me... just in time Ergo,to have it end, very abruptly, losing the Pegasus, losing Hera, Casey was a lie and will disappear, etc.

It's getting to the point that there isn't enough continuity to have any continuity errors.

I will say this: I was overjoyed to see Ellen pick up that cup, and I actually cheered when Tigh started crying. Do we have confirmation the actress is really leaving the series? If the nuke isn't going off, how do we know she's really dead? I've heard cylon baby blood can work wonders, heh.
10.21.2006 3:54pm
Jesse Hill (mail):
Hera had a mouthful of baby teeth and a full head of hair, so she wasn't an infant -- just bundled up like one.
10.21.2006 6:21pm
Jerry Kindall (www):
A few more comments.

1) The bit with Tigh and his wife arguably out-Straczynski'd Straczynski. It's just the sort of thing he would have done, he just never thought of it.

2) Katee Sackhoff is a mighty fine actress. Her bewilderment at the end was incredibly well played.

3) Yeah, the continuity in this show just sucks. I'm going to just have to find a way to ignore that, I guess.

4) It occurs to me that, now that Baltar's with the Cylons, all that's happened so far in the series could almost be backstory for the original series.
10.21.2006 6:40pm
The Black Republican (mail) (www):
Is there anything in the original series that hasn't been duplicated in some way by this series? (Like the charge of the Pegasus into the teeth of several base stars?)

I've got one: they have yet to receive a signal from Earth, confirming it's existance. (Though the original-series Colonials never actually saw it.)

Anything else?
10.21.2006 7:04pm
Jesse Hill (mail):

3) Yeah, the continuity in this show just sucks. I'm going to just have to find a way to ignore that, I guess.


I think that's a little unfair. Was the Cally thing kinda dumb? Yes. But that's the only time I remember something like that happening.

The show is generally excellent with continuity.
10.21.2006 8:15pm
Jerry Kindall (www):
Well, by continuity I meant dangling plot threads as much as consistency, along with the feeling that they're making it up as they go along. I guess that's not continuity in the strict sense.
10.22.2006 2:26am
Jesse Hill (mail):
Of course they're making it up as they go. They're writers. That's what writers do.

But plot threads are only "left dangling" if they aren't resolved by the end of the series.
10.22.2006 5:28am
Ken Hall (www):
I want that Colonial hyperdrive. Anything that works reliably that deep in a gravity well is generations ahead of anything else I've ever seen. ;-)
10.22.2006 9:45pm