Up to 75 92 93
Dean
Now 72 Senators have denied holding up the bill.
Neither of my two Senators is on record yet. No answer to my emails...
Update: We're now up to 79, and I'm pleased to say that both of my Senators, Levin and Stabenow, have denied placing the hold.
Update 2: Up to 92 93 denials. Only 8 7 left. I'm still betting it's Robert Byrd...









My bet: the hold will be anonymously withdrawn before we get to 95. Maybe 90.
I, too, am skeptical. But it sure would liven up a couple of ongoing conversations I'm in around the office...
Nah. Couldn't happen. A Senator would never lie, after all...
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 100 denials.
Why the hell are they allowed to do this?
(Place a "secret" hold?)
I see it's up to 84. Makes me wonder if someone is lying.
What are the odds of picking one red ball out of a bag 100 balls. After 84 picks without replacement, wouldn't the odds of getting the red ball be 84%?
I think it's Byrd too. Also keep an eye on the "not to my knowledge" flack-deniers.
And I'm sure that's exactly what they are doing right now.
There are some people who deserve to be lied to, and this is one of those circumstances.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Get off your high horse, Arnold. You sound like a pompous jackass.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Carper's office refuses to deny it. The aide started getting uppity when I claimed I was a "blogger" - "We've been getting calls all day on this topic."
"Whoa cowboy," I said. "I'm also a constituent from Wilmington."
He settled down after that.
Democrats...
It's our right -- and responsibility -- as citizens of this country to investigate the government to our heart's desire, especially when we thing they're screwing up.
But not completely unexpected. I just hope 100 denials makes the evening news.
If I'm pulling balls from a bag with 99 blue balls and 1 read ball and I have pulled 89 balls and they have all been blue, I start to suspect there is no read ball.
What you are claiming as a right conflicts with a legally adopted rule for the operation of the United States Senate, under which any particular member may hold up a specific piece of legislation without being answerable either to contituents or to other members of the same senate body. In my judgement, the rule is sensible, even if it holds up legislative progress.
To no small degree, the legislators must be independent of the daily pressure of their constituents, or they could get no work done and they become answerable solely to those who bring the greatest and most concentrated pressure to bear on them.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
That only works when the wind is still. If the wind is blowing very strongly in one direction, the Senate completely abandons that and becomes a weathervane.
Remember the ports deal a few months ago?
So apparently more than 90% of the Senate thinks they should answer if their constituents ask a direct question.
But do they think they should answer honestly?
So it's going to be someone who's either not up for re-election or who just doesn't care. For there is no good reason to hold this bill up. Oppose it? Fine, explain why. This skullduggery should be for emergencies only, not a bill with this wide a network of support.
The 7 remaining:
Bond, Christopher S.- (R - MO)
Byrd, Robert C.- (D - WV)
Crapo, Mike- (R - ID)
Gregg, Judd- (R - NH)
Hatch, Orrin G.- (R - UT)
Sarbanes, Paul S.- (D - MD)
Stevens, Ted- (R - AK)
Crapo has said he specifically refuses to answer the question.
I can imagine a situation where an anonymous hold is legitimate and honorable. Say a Senator formerly served in military intelligence. Say that Senator saw that a bill might inadvertently compromise intelligence assets, but the Senator knew that only through his or her access to classified information in the service. And say that if that Senator publicly said, "We can't vote on this, so I'm issuing a hold," the resulting press scrutiny and maybe even delving into the Senator's background could also compromise the intelligence assets. In that case, the Senator would have a legitimate reason to go to the leadership and say, "I need to hold this, and I can't be seen to do so."
This is nothing like that. It's a bill to let the people know how their money is spent. It applies to future programs, not past. If someone is running a black op through that budget right now, there's time to move it. There's no national interest in keeping that spending secret. But there may be a personal interest in some Senator keeping the public from knowing just how much he's spending on self-enriching or self-aggrandizing projects.
That doesn't mean the heat can't be turned up on them anyway though...
Byrd, Robert C.- (D - WV)
Crapo, Mike- (R - ID)
Gregg, Judd- (R - NH)
Hatch, Orrin G.- (R - UT)
Stevens, Ted- (R - AK)
On the other hand, Robert Bennett's denial may not be official. So that's 5 or 6 holdouts, depending on how you count.
But ordinary citizens also have a right to understand how their government works (or doesn't work).
This hold is not over a matter of national security. It is about how the Senate spends the taxpayers' money in "pure white" programs.
The Senate has the right to play CYA all it wants. The voter has the right to tell them to get stuffed, come election day.
If we're so almighty righteous about this, then we need to start voting, not just jabbering.
You know, if the Reps are to blame this they'll have a helluva time trying to paint the Dems as "tax &spend liberals."
Dbrooks: Oh I quite agree. Stevens is one of the most shameless pork kings in all of Congress. He and Byrd probably run neck and neck on that score.
I also wouldn't be too surprised if it were Crapo, who's got one of the safest seats in the entire U.S. Congress.
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS!!!!!