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Dealing With Terrorists

Whatever else you might say about Putin--most of it not very good--he knows how to deal with terrorists. After conferring briefly with the Saudi government, he ordered his secret service to find and kill those who murdered four Russians in Iraq.

Not "arrest them." Kill them.

What, no concern for their civil rights, or Russia's reputation abroad? Won't Putin squander the world's goodwill by behaving like a unilateralist cowboy?

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Martin L. Shoemaker (www):

What, no concern for their civil rights, or Russia's reputation abroad? Won't Putin squander the world's goodwill by behaving like such a unilateralist cowboy?


While waiting for a non-rhetorical question, I would like to suggest an amusing scenario. Imagine these terrorists, sitting in some hideaway, finding signs that the Russians are closing in. What would be the safest possible course of action for them? Try this: hands raised, approach the nearest American troop, announce that they're unlawful enemy combatants, and demand detention in Guantanamo!
6.28.2006 10:18pm
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):
I've been following this in the Russian language press (I hope to have some translations posted). I don't think this is good news and wonder if we're not missing an opportunity to get more cooperation from Russia. I don't see how having more oars in the water in Iraq (and that's where the murderers are—Iraq) will help.
6.28.2006 10:40pm
Casey Tompkins (mail) (www):
Dean, that's because everyone knows Russia is still near-totalitarian. Call it close to the 1930s "clerical-corporative" regimes in southern and eastern Europe.

I have to admit the last time the KGB taught Hezbolla a "lesson," they turned out to be quick learners.
6.28.2006 11:14pm
jaymaster (mail):
Less seriously (maybe), but I couldn’t help but wonder how his little boy’s belly kissing thing from earlier today would have gone over in the US.

Surely it would lead to calls for impeachment from the opposition party.

And I wouldn’t be surprised if they could drum up enough support for a life time listing on a sexual offenders list.

Personally, I found both events borderline endearing.
6.29.2006 12:46am
Ronald Coleman (mail) (www):
Is his terrorism policy considered a success vis-a-vis Chechnia? I don't think so.

I also don't think anyone's scared of the Russians any more. Here's why.
6.29.2006 1:03am
Robert Modean (mail):
The Russians have no friends left in Iraq. The Iraqis in charge know they opposed their liberation, the Ba'athists no longer trust them, and the Insurgents are allied with the Chechens.

Putin's call for the the terrorists to be tracked down and killed was mostly political theater. I have no doubt that he meant it, or that the OSNAZ would kill the terrorist scum in a heartbeat once they found them, but finding them is going to be the key. If the Russians are serious about this, they're actually going to need our help, or at least our benign neglect, to do it.
6.29.2006 3:08am
mark nelson (mail) (www):
I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe, some other western leaders will see this as an example of how to deal with the jihadists.

How can you expect to have meaningful negotiations with people who see willingness to negotiate as a weakness to be exploited?

What the Russians are doing is what we should be doing, what the British and Spanish should be doing and certainly what Israel whould be doing.
6.29.2006 3:08am
JRogge:
Yeah Ron that pretty much sums it up. It's sad also when the Government resorts to giving paid tour military sites and sells weapons Malaysia and Iran from some quick cash. Not to mention an incident worked out with a russian crime ring in Miami which if left unfoiled would have given a Submarine and surface to air missiles to a Drug Cartel.

I'm kinda glad their oars aren't in the water with ours... we'd likely get smacked by one.
6.29.2006 3:14am
Arnold Harris (mail):
Of all the peoples in the world, the Russians are among those who have always held my higher regards, even back in the era of communism. They tend to be friendly, generous, gifted in the arts and as brave as can be when it comes to defending their country. And relentless in avenging incidents such as the one in Iraq.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
6.29.2006 6:02am
Ronald Coleman (mail) (www):
Arnold, you sound like an old lefty, praising our brave Soviet brethren and urging another Lend Lease extension, which you're not. I too have been fascinated (and was during college) by the odd magnetism of the Mother of the Slavs, but I don't know too many but the most chauvenistic Russians who see the Russian people the way you've described them, including the Russians whose writing you can read in English.

Isn't everyone (besides the French) pretty damned brave about defending their country? The Russians have historically defended their country by surrounded it with a "buffer" of hundreds or even thousands of miles of other countries, which they evidently miss. They were relentless against Hitler, heroic; yet what choice did they have -- and, after all, they had basically brought it on themselves, after they brought it on Poland. The Russians have no democratic tradition, are cynical to a fault in foreign relations and have yet to demonstrate that they have shaken off a millenium of deep and murderous antisemitism. I'll give them credit for one thing: When you starve a few million of them and put a millions more of them in a slave labor camp or just disappear them, they can accomplish a lot. By which I mean that the Stalin era was the high water mark of Russian achievement in many spheres, at a cost in human life, spiritual destruction and cultural obliteration no humane person could possibly justify (though it is justified all the time)

Well, I don't really have it in for the Russians, Arnold, who notwithstanding the above are about the same as all but the best. But I think we should be careful about assuming they're "all that" just because they're hale and handsome.

But the next time they pull off even the sort of small-scale military or even logistical success that a second-rate powerought to be able to manage, let's talk. As of right now, from what I hear even a few elite French units could run rings around Ivan, who's probably too sloshed to even notice.
6.29.2006 11:51am