But also, in response, incredible courage: the imam of the mosque, al-Saghir, is a member of the Iraqi parliament. He survived the attack, and both renounced retaliatory violence and swore that these attacks would not stop democracy's progress. Austin Bay has more details.
I mean, seriously, if people aren't seeing the courage of everyday Iraqis, the stories we see everyday in the Iraqi blogosphere, at Centcom, in other Iraqi sources... my God.
Shiites are spreading corruption in the land. Therefore, thier hands and feet should be cut off, their bodies split in two, or they should be crucified and exiled. (5:32, 33)
Well, maybe I'm reading the same Koran that the leadership of all 4 Sunni Madhabs read, or all of the Ayatollas, or hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who disagree with you.
We had this conversation about the old testament at a post by Dean entilted "Bible Readings" and, if you read through this thread, it seems that Dean has already started his own Madhab, already with 7 eschatalogical tenets about Islam. Perhaps you should subscribe and become a scholar of the Al-Esmay Madhab.
All schools of Modern Jewish thought, Orthadox, Hassids, Haredis, Mashortis, Reformists ect...reject a fundamentalist interpretation of Jewish law, i.e. establishing the literal laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy as civic mandates in the state of Israel or elsewhere.
It would be nice if all Muslim schools and ecumenical orginizations did the same regarding Koranic commandments, such as 9:5, 24:2, 5:38, 4:89, 4:34...ect. It would have an enormous impact on curbing terrorism world-wide. Perhaps the Al-Esmay Madhab could be the beginning!
I didn't know you read Arabic, Jimmy. Or were such a scholar you were qualified to comment on what every school of Koranic interpretation holds to. I'm impressed!
Which madrasah did you study at? Al-Sbunsar is my guess. I hear they make a good living there.
So then you do admit that schools of Islamic thought, such as Madhabs, are important in defining Islam Dean?
You don't have to take it from me what those schools teach, you can get the information from the scholars and doctrines themselves.
I don't presume you are an Arabic Muslim scholar, so what methodology did you use to come to your conclusions of the definition of Islam, such as your 7 pillars?
Here are 7 eschatalogical tenets that you posted throughout the "Bible Readings" thread and claimed that they are part of true Islam:
1)The Koran is the complete, perfect revelation of God.
2)The Koran is not to be taken literally
3)Mohammad was flawed, and Muslims are not to emulate him completely.
4)Islam recognises a separation of church and state.
5)Islam does not advocate deception (taqiyaa)in order to gain the acceptance of non-Muslims
6)Mohammad may have been justified (at least by 7th century standards) in the massacre of Quraiza men as well as the enslavement of their women and children, because those Jews kept attacking him.
From the Risala Al-Maliki 37.19:
The apostate is killed unless he repents. He is allowed three days grace; if he fails to utilise the chance to repent, the execution takes place. This same also applies to women apostates.
Maybe we should ask Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, the leader of the Islamic Courts Union in Somalia and maliki jurist, what he thinks and believes about that.
You said:
Holy war is part of the tradition. Yes indeed it is. So is acceptance of violence in some circumstances. So?
What do you mean, So?!! So millions of devout muslims who seek guidence from clerics and scholars are taught to fight the infidel in the name of Allah, and practice archaine, 7th century civic rules.
How can you write this off? Don't you think a lay catholic might consider what the clergy and cannon teach about abortion, contraception, homosexuality, ect...in order to guide their decisions? Only now its about killing people!
How do you know how many muslim freinds I have? Maybe you shouldn't come down to harshly on affirmative action or political correctness...we should probably count how many black friends you have to determine if your opinions on those subjects are legitamate.
Despicable beyond words.
But also, in response, incredible courage: the imam of the mosque, al-Saghir, is a member of the Iraqi parliament. He survived the attack, and both renounced retaliatory violence and swore that these attacks would not stop democracy's progress. Austin Bay has more details.
We had this conversation about the old testament at a post by Dean entilted "Bible Readings" and, if you read through this thread, it seems that Dean has already started his own Madhab, already with 7 eschatalogical tenets about Islam. Perhaps you should subscribe and become a scholar of the Al-Esmay Madhab.
All schools of Modern Jewish thought, Orthadox, Hassids, Haredis, Mashortis, Reformists ect...reject a fundamentalist interpretation of Jewish law, i.e. establishing the literal laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy as civic mandates in the state of Israel or elsewhere.
It would be nice if all Muslim schools and ecumenical orginizations did the same regarding Koranic commandments, such as 9:5, 24:2, 5:38, 4:89, 4:34...ect. It would have an enormous impact on curbing terrorism world-wide. Perhaps the Al-Esmay Madhab could be the beginning!
Which madrasah did you study at? Al-Sbunsar is my guess. I hear they make a good living there.
You don't have to take it from me what those schools teach, you can get the information from the scholars and doctrines themselves.
I don't presume you are an Arabic Muslim scholar, so what methodology did you use to come to your conclusions of the definition of Islam, such as your 7 pillars?
The only thing I'll "admit" about the schools of Islamic thought is that you have to ask a Muslim from that tradition what he thinks and believes.
Holy war is part of the tradition. Yes indeed it is. So is acceptance of violence in some circumstances. So?
You need to make a few Muslim friends, Jimmy, and to start realizing that Roobart makes his living selling his ideas to you. Because he does.
1)The Koran is the complete, perfect revelation of God.
2)The Koran is not to be taken literally
3)Mohammad was flawed, and Muslims are not to emulate him completely.
4)Islam recognises a separation of church and state.
5)Islam does not advocate deception (taqiyaa)in order to gain the acceptance of non-Muslims
6)Mohammad may have been justified (at least by 7th century standards) in the massacre of Quraiza men as well as the enslavement of their women and children, because those Jews kept attacking him.
From the Risala Al-Maliki 37.19:
The apostate is killed unless he repents. He is allowed three days grace; if he fails to utilise the chance to repent, the execution takes place. This same also applies to women apostates.
Maybe we should ask Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, the leader of the Islamic Courts Union in Somalia and maliki jurist, what he thinks and believes about that.
You said: What do you mean, So?!! So millions of devout muslims who seek guidence from clerics and scholars are taught to fight the infidel in the name of Allah, and practice archaine, 7th century civic rules.
How can you write this off? Don't you think a lay catholic might consider what the clergy and cannon teach about abortion, contraception, homosexuality, ect...in order to guide their decisions? Only now its about killing people!
How do you know how many muslim freinds I have? Maybe you shouldn't come down to harshly on affirmative action or political correctness...we should probably count how many black friends you have to determine if your opinions on those subjects are legitamate.