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Review of Oncogenes, Aneuploidy, and AIDS: A Scientific Life and Times of Peter Duesberg by Harvey Bialy

The following review was submitted by Gerald Pollack, Professor of Bioengineering at the University of Washington. --Dean)

oncogenes aneuploidy & aidsNot long ago I received the following piece of spam:

Subject: I have written a book about Peter Duesberg, cancer, and HIV

Body: It is very good, and Peter and I are not the only ones who think so, as you can discover at the online Barnes and Noble or Amazon, or by reading George Miklos’s review in Nature Biotechnology
(http://www.duesberg.com/books/oncogenes.html).

The piece continued:

...Many will not know or remember that two of the great themes of modern medicine, AIDS and cancer genes, both directly derive from the pioneering work on retroviruses of Peter Duesberg and a handful of others...Thus Duesberg's more than two decade, ongoing theoretical and experimental critiques of the dominant etiological explanations in each of these fields comes from substantial scientific contributions over a highly distinguished professional career that not only placed him in the US National Academy of Sciences at the young age of 50 in 1986, but gave him his own archive at the U.C. Berkeley Bancroft library — an archive that provided much of the documentation for revelations about the extremely unscientific behavior of several of Duesberg's powerful scientific adversaries.

Adversaries? I'd known vaguely of Duesberg’s claim that HIV was not the cause of AIDS, and that oncogenes were not the culprit whose pursuit would lead to a cure for cancer, and that as a result of these unorthodox views, he'd been excoriated by his scientific and medical colleagues. So, I was curious, and read on with interest:

In tracing Duesberg's academic trials, tribulations and recent emerging triumphs, the author, an early PhD from the country’s first department of molecular biology at Berkeley, and the founding scientific editor of Nature Biotechnology... [tells] the story of the iconoclastic professor's professionally self-destructive questioning of other pillar of today's biotech-driven molecular medicine that he unwittingly midwived — HIV and its relationship to AIDS etiology.

Impressed by these credentials, I took the leap and ordered a copy of the (surprisingly inexpensive) book from the publisher.
(http://nabfrog.fatcow.com/store/1556435312.html).

Bialy's book is not one you can easily put down. I found myself thoroughly engaged and deeply moved by the saga of Peter Duesberg — evolving from a founder of cancer molecular biology to a pariah reviled by his peers. It reminded me of Ignaz Semmelweis, the Hungarian physician working in a leading Viennese hospital, who had suggested before Pasteur that there might be a simple expedient to reducing mothers' post-childbirth mortality rate: doctors' hand washing. A curious observation was that the mortality rate was far higher in those wards directed by physicians compared to the wards directed by midwives. Semmelweis noted a clue: doctors began their morning rounds with autopsies on patients who had died the day prior; only after completion of the autopsies did the physicians examine the women in labor. Midwives were free of any such contaminating burden. Even after Semmelweis demonstrated that the mortality rate plummeted if the physicians washed and disinfected their hands before physically examining their patients, his colleagues were reluctant to accept his thesis, and the dead multiplied unnecessarily. Semmelweis died in an insane asylum.

Unlike the good doctor Semmelweis, whose character was notably fragile, Duesberg seems to have the robust outlook and iron backbone that allow him to press on, notwithstanding the ridicule of his peers and heroic battles competing for research funds. For some, he is every bit as much a hero as Semmelweis and Galileo; his logic seems impeccable, and his dogged persistence must be practically unmatched. For most, including drug companies who profit from current research directions and scientists whose careers rest on the prevailing orthodoxy, Duesberg is a villain who poses a threat. Better he be banished from the scene.

Could Duesberg really be on to something? Could the scientific establishment be as far off track as the story asserts?

If the papers that Duesberg cites are not misrepresented — and it is difficult to see how hundreds of papers could be misrepresented without the AIDS establishment coming down mercilessly on his misrepresentations — then his points are indeed compelling. For example: Why is the amount of HIV present in most AIDS patients so small that PCR amplification is required to demonstrate its presence? Why is AIDS in the US and Europe not random as it is in other viral epidemics? Why would HIV take 10 – 15 years from infection to AIDS? Why is the mortality of HIV-antibody positives treated with anti-HIV drugs higher than the untreated group? These and other troubling questions are answered with impeccable logic and abundant references. Of course, the literature could have been abused to make a point, and I’m impressed that the full text of most of the papers cited in Duesberg’s 1992 review are now available though a hyperlink (http://www.rethinkaids.info/body.cfm?id=58). Anyone interested can make judgment.

One could only hope for a detailed point-by-point response from the establishment, but very little of substance has been forthcoming. Mainly, what have come from the AIDS establishment are ex-cathedra responses such as "the evidence is overwhelming." The book reminds us that although over $100 billion has been spent on AIDS research, not a single AIDS patient has been cured — a colossal failure with tragic consequences. It explains in too-clear terms the reasons why AIDS research focuses so single-mindedly on this lone hypothesis to the exclusion of all others: egos, prestige, and money. Mainstream virologists have assumed the power of the purse, and their self-interests (sometimes financial), propel them to suppress challenges. This is not an unusual story: challenges to mainstream views are consistently suppressed by mainstream scientists who have a stake in maintaining the status quo. It's not just Semmelweis and Galileo, but is happening broadly in today's scientific arena. Only now are the granting agencies beginning to face up to this serious problem.

I invite you to read this fascinating book and decide for yourself whether Duesberg has a point. I took time from a busy schedule to see quickly how the saga would end, and came away enlightened by a rich body of information about issues of profound significance that cry out for resolution. The message is quite serious, but the presentation is buoyed by abundant humor and wit — a pleasure to read. This is one of those books that will inspire unending conversations with friends and colleagues. Rarely have I been as moved by a book as by this very scientific biography.

Reviewer: G. H. Pollack, Dept. of Bioengineering,
University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195,
ghp@u.washington.edu

(Professor Pollack is the author of Cells, Gels and the Engines of Life. --Dean)

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Tom Hawkson:
Well, this post relates, and hits a common theme of yours, Dean. The post is about Michael Gazzaniga's most recent book, The Ethical Brain.
He also has an interesting chapter on religion, where he describes how the brain reacts during religious experiences and the psychological experience of religion. One interesting point he makes in passing is that it turns out that scientists are just attached to their particular theories as religious believers, and in fact, scientists are just as reluctant to surrender their beliefs about science when confronted with contrary evidence as are religious believers. He notes (p. 146):
Nowhere does the human capacity to form and hold beliefs become more stark than when clear scientific data challenge the assumptions of someone's personal beliefs. It would be easy to spin a story line about how a particular person with a set of religious values resisted the biological analysis of this or that finding in an effort to reaffirm his or her belief. There are many such stories, but they miss the point. Scientists themselves are just as resistant to change a view when confronted with new data that suggest their view is incorrect. All of us hold ot to our beliefs, and it now appears that men are even more tencious about not letting go than are women.
He adds (pp. 146-47), "Interestingly, it turns out that scientists are slower to change their views in the face of new data than are preachers."
How about that! But this analysis interacts strangely with the one above. Perhaps it isn't about money, it is about belief. Even worse, it could be a mutually reinforcing pair: money and belief combined.

Yours,
Wince
1.11.2006 10:59am
Hank Barnes (mail):
Dr. Bialy, who has graced us here at Dean's World a few times, is undeniably, quirky, offbeat, but totally brilliant in the field of molecular biology.

I really enjoyed his book on Duesberg. A fascinating look into this Professor at Berkeley, who absolutely refuses to compromise on principle and insists that theories bend around facts, not vice versa.

One thing that troubled me about AIDS from the beginning was the failed quest for the vaccine.

The reason microbe hunters are so hot and heavy about attributing a viral cause to a disease is simple: in theory, if virus X causes disease Y, then you should be able to develop vaccine Z to cure the problem. Think Salk and polio.

So, in the early 80's, there was all this talk about a vaccine this and a vaccine that. But what happened? 25 years later still no vaccine.

It'd be like JFK telling us in 1962 that we should strive to send a rocket to the moon in a decade, and then 10 years later, Nixon sends an airplane to India, and declares total victory.

It is even more ironic that the primary drug chosen to combat AIDS from 1987-1996 was AZT, a failed cancer chemotherapy drug from the 60's.

Well, doesn't cancer chemo, one of the most toxic drugs devised by man, cause a pretty severe case of immune deficiency? Doesn't it kill both white and red blood cells? Isn't that part of the reason cancer chemo is such a harrowing experience?

So, it struck me as bizarre that you would treat a disease (AIDS), characterized by immune deficiency, with a drug (AZT), that causes immune deficiency. It would be like pouring gasoline, rather than water, on a fire.

Barnes
1.11.2006 12:30pm
Dean Esmay:
Tom: Of course one might argue that it is Duesberg and his friends in the scientific community who refuse to give in to facts and logic. But if so, you would think an easy solution would be to allow at least a sliver of the billions we fund in AIDS research be allowed to go to test ANY hypothesis that AIDS might be caused by anything other than HIV. To date, ZERO has been allowed.

Those who turn down grant applications to fund alternative hypotheses are all, to a person, people who believe HIV and HIV alone explains the disease, and many of them have grown extremely wealthy as a result of that.

That statement is not a "personal attack" on said scientists by the way. It's a statement of fact. The words "conflict of interest" need to be brought up more often, but instead, when you try it, some people turn purple and claim you're trying to say AIDS researchers are evil. That's a gigantic non-sequitur of course, but what can you do?
1.11.2006 2:32pm
Tom Hawkson:
Dean,

Exactly. If you were forced to choose between Rosemary, Jake and Draco, you would have a conflict of interest, too. The phrase "conflict of interest" describes most people, most of the time. We all have lots of conflicting interests!

Yours,
Wince
1.11.2006 2:46pm
McKiernan:
"... you would think an easy solution would be to allow at least a sliver of the billions we fund in AIDS research be allowed to go to test ANY hypothesis that AIDS might be caused by anything other than HIV. To date, ZERO has been allowed."

Quoting Dr. Duesberg:

" Believe me, if I could have come up with a single experiment that I thought I might have done to disprove the hypothesis, I would have in a minute..."

That statement in Bialy’s book on page 72 demonstrates Duesberg’s acknowledgement of the futility of disproving the HIV-AIDS hypothesis on theory alone. And Bialy concurs,

“…Peter was left only to point out inconsistencies and lacunae in the virus-AIDs hypothesis." page 72

Ergo, any paradigm shift in the HIV-AIDS hypothesis needs to be predicated on a research project disproving the theory specifically that is not based on another theory or another alternative hypothesis such as bad water, poppers, chemicals, azt, iv drugs, opportunistic infections, hemophilia, or the lack of a vaccine.
1.11.2006 6:14pm
daf9:
Dean, You appear to be suggesting that there should be an affirmative action program for grants proposing to test alternative theories of AIDS. Before supporting such a proposal I would like to see evidence that such grants are indeed discrimated against on grounds unrelated to their scientific merits.

How many grants proposing to test alternative theories of AIDS have been submitted to federal funding agencies in the past 15 years (both in total numbers and as a fraction of all AIDS-related grants)?

Based on that fraction, how many would you have expected to be funded, giving the percentage of all AIDS related grants funded over that period? How many were funded and is that number significantly different from the expected number?

If the answer to the previous question is yes then is there objective evidence that the grounds on which the alternative theory grants were turned down was not scientifically based?

Maybe they aren't funded because very few are submitted and/or the proposed research is scientifically flawed in one way or another?

Dale
1.11.2006 6:19pm
Dean Esmay:
McKiernan: You quote out of context. Peter has proposed many experiments. All require grants, especially because it is ILLEGAL to work with HIV if you don't have an NIH-approved study and grant. There is thus almost nothing Peter can do, even if he got private funding.

Dale: As you well know, a very small clique of researchers (are you one of them, by chance, Oh Mysterious Dale?) who are largely unaccountable, and who do not have to go on record personally, control all the funding and have routinely refused to fund any research for anything that examines AIDS outside the current paradigm for damn near 20 years now. The reasons are quite apparent, and all scream of "conflict of interest." This would not pass the smell test in ANY business venture, or ANY good government practices guideline.

Wanting to clean up conflicts of interest isn't "affirmative action," nor is HIV and AIDS the only area where this is a problem.
1.11.2006 10:18pm
Dean Esmay:
Oh and by the way, I am FAR from the only one who has noticed that this cozy little setup where scientists get to make each other multimillionaires by only funding each other and shutting out all competitors. Professor Pollack and a growing number of other researchers are saying the same thing.

The system stinks. It made sense when there weren't huge personal fortunes at stake. But now there are, and the system needs revision--the temptation for corruption is too high.
1.11.2006 10:25pm
Nicholas V. (mail) (www):
Why is the mortality of HIV-antibody positives treated with anti-HIV drugs higher than the untreated group?

If that's true, isn't it grossly unethical to continue treatment until a treatment can be devised which lowers mortality rather than raises it?

Isn't this roughly equivalent to giving, say, arrhythmia patients a drug which increases their chance of heart attack, and once that's shown to be the case, continuing to give it to them?

Or is it the case that some studies show an increase in mortality and others a decrease.. or something.. I can't imagine, if the increase is a consensus view, it would be at all tenable to continue treatment.
1.11.2006 10:28pm
daf9:
Dean, So in other words you don't know how many grants proposing alternative theories of AIDS have been submitted, how many might or might not have been funded or why those that weren't funded were turned down. I don't know either. But I think the answers are relevant to your accusations.

Dale
1.11.2006 10:53pm
Samba Diallo (mail):
Although I agree wholeheartedly with almost all of Prof. Pollack's review, there is one point on which I beg to differ, and where it appears to me that the reviewer has confused Bialy's intention with his own deduction. Pollack writes:

"It explains in too-clear terms the reasons why AIDS research focuses so single-mindedly on this lone hypothesis to the exclusion of all others: egos, prestige, and money."

The excerpt below, from the review of William Breeze (on Amazon), I think is more accurate regarding the above.

"It shows just how vulnerable the great tradition of hypothesis, experiment, proof, peer review and publication can be to manipulation by vested interests, media, and government institutions with public health party lines. When these close ranks they wield a formidable, monolithic power that can dictate the way science is allowed to proceed. Pit against this a scientist at the top of his field who commits the unforgivable 'sin' of challenging an orthodoxy he himself was critical in establishing, and the predictable outcome is marginalization, ridicule and out-of-hand dismissal. Duesberg suffered all of this. Yet he continued, in an amazingly dogged way as the reader learns, to apply the high standards of scientific proof that had made him so famous, feared and respected in the intellectual salad days of molecular biology. These are the elements of a classic heroic tale, but rather than portray Duesberg as a white knight, Bialy more interestingly and accurately doesn't portray him at all. Instead he presents the unadulterated thinking of this immensely reasonable, patient and persistent scientist, who is if anything an anti-hero. The plot, accordingly, is not that of an epic but of a dark mystery -- the central one, left unsolved and for the astonished reader to ponder, being "why?" The book reveals "how," "what" and "who" in a way that I found irresistible."

Samba (another anonymous molecular biologist like Dale)
1.11.2006 11:10pm
McKiernan:
The subject matter is still Harvey Bialy's book. And quotations from page 72 from that book were not taken out of context whatsoever which is the reason quotation marks were used.

On the other hand, we are informed Dr. Duesberg apparently cannot and has not submitted a proposal for funding either privately nor federally to test an experiment whereby chimpanzes or any other animal exposed to say poppers will develop HIV-AIDS. Such a proposal wouldn't require use of federally supplied HIV virus as Duesberg believes HIV is ubiquitous and one of his chemical hypotheses suggests poppers are causative in HIV-AIDS at least within a certain quasi-gender group of which that group does not transmit intra-sexually but only by poppers. That's the untested theory to date.

Curiously, no such research topic nor any other topics for research are mentioned in Dr. Bialy's book. Yet, one of the fall back defenses always seems to apply. i.e. Caouldn't get the funding. Yet, We are never informed how, nor why, nor under what circumstances such proposals were denied.

Such is internet science.

Now has anyone seen the latest on HIV-AIDS. This week some company will announce that a serum derived from HIV positive patients that have not developed AIDs will be used to innoculate other patients in which the T-cells will put a lock box stopping HIV-AIDS from destroyed same.

This is also internet and MSM science not necessarily at its best.
1.12.2006 12:08am
McKiernan:
Samba,

I am one who respects your opinion. I am reading Dr. Bialy's book which I find quite interesting, honest and very thorough but definitely not the last conclusive word. In a prior post Dr. Bialy has stated that his sole purpose in writing his book about his mentor was to record the history and science behind the thoughts of Peter Duesberg on Oncogenes, Aneuploidy and HIV-Aids in the event a certain Stockholm group might honor the works of aneuploidy with a Nobel Prize. That is an honorable and honest approach by Dr. Bialy. And it is one that I respect.

On the other hand, a grain and more of salt is necessary when reading such materials from a science point of view. These past two weeks with the (peer-reviewed) embarrassments of Dr. Hwang Woo Suk clearly demonstrates that need.
1.12.2006 12:29am
Dean Esmay:
Dale: as you must know, such data are not available. Indeed, you would have to know that, given your background. So why ask?

Even one grant proposal turned down solely for ideological reasons, or worse, due to financial conflict of interest, is corruption. The very fact that it's so easy to do this wouldn't pass the smell test in ANY ethical business or government enterprise.

The current system, mired in secrecy and run by small cliques who don't answer to anyone but each other has too much opportunity for corruption and nowhere near enough transparency. For indeed, especially in the case of HIV, not only did they manage to arrange things so they fund each others' grants "anonymously," but, they also managed to make it illegal to even work with HIV unless you get their permission. So, even if you get private funding, if you try to work with HIV without NIH approval you can lose your job, lose your lab, possibly even see fines or jail time.

Our friend McKiernan will recognize what this is called: Catch-22.

Dale, do you happen to be one of those lucky researchers who gets to accept or reject HIV grant applications?
1.12.2006 12:33am
Dean Esmay:
No McKiernan, your quotes were out of context, whether you used quotation marks or not. You failed to note the fact that without an NIH grant, it is virtually impossible for Duesberg to do what you ask of him. That is explained in the book, and I also just explained it to you. Your quotation, absent this explanatory context, is highly misleading. (You may have misled yourself, but it's still misleading).

He cannot do it because the system has been rigged to make it impossible. He can only do direct lab work with HIV if he gets NIH permission--and the only people at NIH who can grant that permission, lo and behold, have strong professional and often financial interests in not seeing the status quo challenged.

If you want to know what grants Peter's applied for, you can simply ask him, or I can ask for you.
1.12.2006 12:37am
daf9:
Dean, The data on submitted grants is not available from NIH but if the scientists who have submitted and had them rejected wanted to, they could certainly make their grant applications (or even the abstracts) and the reviews available for public inspection. I haven't seen any, have you? As far as the funded grants, that data would be available (at least for NIH) for anyone who cared to spend the time searching the database of funded grants.

NIH made it illegal to work with HIV without their permission? I didn't know that and no offense but I'll take that with a grain of salt until I see it at an official NIH website. In any case, I fail to see why that matters if the hypothesis to be tested is that HIV is irrelevant to AIDS? Surely such research would best be done with HIV negative individuals or animals?

Dale
1.12.2006 12:54am
McKiernan:
"No McKiernan, your quotes were out of context, whether you used quotation marks or not. You failed to note the fact that without an NIH grant, it is virtually impossible for Duesberg to do what you ask of him.""

Dean. If you re-read page 72, Duesberg refused to even submit a proposal to the NIH.

You're argument is invalid.
1.12.2006 1:02am