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Firefox 0.92

Dean

Firefox, the world's greatest web browser in my not so humble opinion, has been updated to version 0.92.

You know I was using Internet Explorer last night and I was shocked at how many popup ads I got assaulted with. I had forgotten how smoothly and seamlessly Firefox just makes those go away.

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Chris Reid (www):

Wha? That link still says 0.9.1 is the latest... are you sure you aren't looking at the daily builds or something?

7.9.2004 9:30am

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Dean Esmay (www):

Odd as it seems, the page SAYS 0.91, but if you download it, you get 0.92. At least if you're on a Windows machine. I think they just haven't updated their page properly.

7.9.2004 10:16am

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rick (mail):

Thanks, I took your advice and I'm loving so far. Works like a charm and I love the new no popups.

7.9.2004 2:14pm

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Aaron Pohle (mail):

Though I'm sure I will be derided for defending IE at all..

IE + googlebar = no popups

I'm looking at firefox, but it doesn't work with everything. I suppose I could clarify to say that it doesn't support all of the DHTML functions that IE does, or at least not with the same code.

Tabbed browsing is nice, which is why I like MyIE2.

7.9.2004 2:24pm

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BigFire (mail):

IE + Googlebar does not address the issue of spywares and other fun fun IE bugs. I know, I once walk my computer iliterate uncle through installing googlebar to combat the popup problem. I end up almost formating his computer just to get rid of the spyware and other malwares. He haven't have a reason to call me since I install Firefox as his default browser (and I removed IE from his desktop).

7.9.2004 3:49pm

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Dean Esmay (www):

I haven't found any sites (so far) that don't work with Firefox. It's fully compliant with all HTML standards, so I'd have to assume that a site it doesn't work must have some IE-specific features that are non-standards-compliant.

And BigFire is right about spyware and other IE vulnerabilities.

That Google toolbar has caused my system to crash more than once. Funny thing? Google search is built into Firefox too...

7.9.2004 7:37pm

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Aaron Pohle (mail):

I've been playing with it more and more. It's a good program. Some minor annoyances with it(the right click menus are in a poor order to my way of thinking, and it has crashed twice on me), but it's the best new browser I've seen in years.

I'm sure that it is compliant with the official html standards, and in all cases where I have had problems it certainly is because of the added features that IE supports. I have to ask though...when you have a 95% or greater market penetration...doesn't that become the standard by default? I'm sure that will make some folks angry, but the bottom line is that I cannot use Firefox for all of my work because it doesn't support everything that IE does. The fact that IE supports things not in the official standard means nothing to me. It does what I need and Firefox does not. Of course I accept that comes with some problems. The added features of IE create added vulnerabilities.

For most users I would say that Firefox is a superior browser to IE. For most internet pages it works great. I would probably recomment that the firefox team look at MyIE2's implementation of tabbed browsing, as I think it is better than theirs, but it is a great product.

I will be interested in seeing what the next IE looks like and how it compares to the next Firefox.

7.10.2004 3:32am

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Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):

Actaully, no. There are standards bodies which define standards that all browsers are supposed to work with. IE deviates from these standards in some (though thankfully not too ungodly many) places.

But IE doesn't add features; it often just does things differently, or in some cases, worse.

E.g. according to the DOM level 2 event model, an event handler should be passed an event object as its first argument, and it should be called on the element which generated the event. IE doesn't do this; it sticks the event object in some global variable (window.event) and then calling the event handler as a global function. That's not a feature, that's just not implementing the spec, and doing a bad job at it too.

The result is that you need to wrap your event handlers in a few lines of code to take care of this problem with IE, and also write a bunch of other annoying stuff to get around the scoping deficiencies of IE.

If that sounded like gibberish, just take this away: IE doesn't have extra features, it has extra bugs. Sometimes people write to these bugs, rather than writing to the standard and adding code to handle the bugs.

And tell me, does 95% of people thinking Pi = 3.14 really make it a rational number?

7.10.2004 1:15pm

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